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Post by Jaga on Dec 9, 2006 16:01:39 GMT -7
...they lived long and happily and died in one day...amen! Such a fantasic Utopia!!!  Yea, good Russian attitude: pi** on each other and everyone within reach so you have a warm and cozy feeling for the few moments before it freezes on you! The tendency for mutual destruction seems to be overpowering and easily seems to conquer open dialog. Kai Kai, Russia and the US have the same superpower attitude towards all other countries - superiority complex. We are the best, we are the greatest, we do not cooperate. We may discuss problems with friends but not with the enemies.... |
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Post by kaima on Dec 9, 2006 16:21:46 GMT -7
Jaga,
I have to agree with you on the superpower complex, except that by and large in the US before Bush we used to talk to our enemies as well. This ignorant stonwalling of his is a major problem in the world.
However, in addition to all that, I feel the various Slavic peoples tend to argue with one antoher much more than cooperate. This seems to be from ancient history on, and certainly is present today as well. Since I was addressing Constantine, I tailored the comment to Russians and bypassed inclusion of all the other Slavs.
Kai
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Post by bujno on Dec 10, 2006 11:13:52 GMT -7
Jaga, I have to agree with you on the superpower complex, except that by and large in the US before Bush we used to talk to our enemies as well. This ignorant stonwalling of his is a major problem in the world. However, in addition to all that, I feel the various Slavic peoples tend to argue with one antoher much more than cooperate. This seems to be from ancient history on, and certainly is present today as well. Since I was addressing Constantine, I tailored the comment to Russians and bypassed inclusion of all the other Slavs. Kai[/quote Kai I am really wondering now how did you notice that Slavs as a group are more inclined to argue with each other than cooperate? Do they differ in this inclination from the rest of thge word? There are many historical examples of long and perfect cooperation between the Slavs. Also, I have an impression that the longest and the most bloody wars were not between various Slavic groups..... |
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Post by kaima on Dec 10, 2006 15:05:17 GMT -7
You make some good points. Maybe the difference in perspective is where we grew up. In America the experience I have with "Old Time Europeans" is that they are sour and argue and fight at the drop of a hat and would rather sabotage one another than assist one another to success if that means the least of compromise - in other words, I will help you, but only if you do EXACTLY as I say. It may be they were sour because they were the right wingers kicked out by the Soviets at the end of the war (WW II).
Then in reading history it seems the greatest defeats of any Slavic nation was when they could not stop fighting between themselves long enough to unite against a common threat.
Finally, there is the astounding difference between the Slavic nations and the Germanic nations - the Germans have this irresistible urge to unite, and the Slavs demonstrate a consistent urge to splinter. Those are f few of the reasons I say that.
My participation will be a bit limited for the next month; I have to pack for Europe right now. Most everything else is prepared. Now to see how all the "stuff' to take over there fits in! My personal baggage is rather simple.
Kai
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Post by constantine on Dec 11, 2006 1:42:49 GMT -7
Constantine, why Orthodox church from Russia never tries to cooperate with other churches. They seem to fear Catholics more then Communists in spite of the fact that these are Communists that were trying to destry them? It seems that Orthodox Church need some new blood, a new reform Hem, I think that it would be very funnily to bleed our Church like in 1204, isn't it?  Please, don't say that it was a mistake and Pope publicly recunted.  I think that Catholicism has alot of sins which summons to reconstruct Catolicism more than Orthodoxy. But you are right, Orthodox Church is a retrograde, but thanks to this backwardness we didn't have: 1. Auto-da-fe 2. Stakes 3. Claims for secular power 4. Pretension to infallibility 5. Crusades 6. Debauchery on the pope's throne 7. Absolution for money 8. Tolerance for slave-trade 9. Annihilation of native Americans and so on and so on..... |
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Post by constantine on Dec 11, 2006 1:54:13 GMT -7
Russia and the US have the same superpower attitude towards all other countries - superiority complex. We are the best, we are the greatest, we do not cooperate. We may discuss problems with friends but not with the enemies.... Well, what is a difference between Americans and Russians? American considers that his homeland is a best in the world and strikes the eye those who don't agree with it. Russian considers that his homeland is a worst place in the world and strikes the eye those who agree with it. |
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Post by constantine on Dec 11, 2006 2:57:23 GMT -7
...they lived long and happily and died in one day...amen! Such a fantasic Utopia!!! Yea, good Russian attitude: pi** on each other and everyone within reach so you have a warm and cozy feeling for the few moments before it freezes on you! The tendency for mutual destruction seems to be overpowering and easily seems to conquer open dialog. Kai Wow, how monumental  . Sorry me if I outraged you  . It was't a desire to pi** on you but just wish for real open conversation.  |
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Post by constantine on Dec 11, 2006 3:07:44 GMT -7
Jaga, However, in addition to all that, I feel the various Slavic peoples tend to argue with one antoher much more than cooperate. This seems to be from ancient history on, and certainly is present today as well. Since I was addressing Constantine, I tailored the comment to Russians and bypassed inclusion of all the other Slavs. Kai You are not right! Who released Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Romanians from Turkish yoke? Who protected Serbs in WWI? I don't want to view WWII meaningly. |
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Post by bujno on Dec 11, 2006 5:19:08 GMT -7
Kai, you are mixing Germans with Germanic people. The equivalent of Slavs are Germanic people. The Germanic people urge to unite is just about as strong as the Slavs' it would seem to me. As to Germans who did unite, as Poles, Russians, Checzs did - I am not not sure if the democrtacic cities-states of Muchen or Hannover wished to be united under Prussian rule or they just were forced to. May your stay in Europe be as pleasant as best dream. All the best to you sincerely, my dear 'southern neighbour |
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Post by constantine on Dec 11, 2006 8:26:14 GMT -7
Constantine, the next trip of pope should be to Russia. He should be received better than our Polish pope. John Paul II tried to visit Russia several times but the Russian orthodox church did not want him there. This pope is German and Russia always had better relations with Germany than with Poland. So, maybe finally the orthodox church would let him in The origin of Pope is not a point of aversion. There are alot of unsolved problems between Churches which humper the progress of business. More over Moscow Patriarchy remember Florentine Union. |
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Please, don't say that it was a mistake and Pope publicly recunted. 
I think that Catholicism has alot of sins which summons to reconstruct Catolicism more than Orthodoxy.
. Sorry me if I outraged you 
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