Iran Holocaust Denial conference

[Jaga]

This conference is weird of course but... if Israel would not push for Iran confrontation maybe this would never happen.

I am curious what type of arguments did the conference participants made..

Media spotlight on Iran's Holocaust talks

Reports and comment on the international conference on the Holocaust being held in Tehran feature across a wide spectrum of the Middle East media.

In Iran itself, radio and TV bulletins have run lengthy reports mostly consisting of comments by foreign participants that people are not allowed to speak freely about the Holocaust in the West and that they fear prosecution when they return home.

A German participant spoke in English to a reporter from the Iranian news channel IRINN: "This is Jewish power in Europe and especially in the United States. And everybody who says something else goes to prison, is punished, and is in prison. We are not allowed to say the truth. That's it."

The conference also features as the lead story in some Iranian newspapers. The reformist daily Aftab has a front-page headline quoting the Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki as saying: "We neither confirm nor deny the Holocaust".

from:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6172773.stm

[Bob S]

;D LOL Jaga. I'll bet those Iranians still believe that the "Moon is made of Green cheese" and that the "tooth fairy" pays a visit.

[bescheid]

Jaga

It is good of you to present this, as it needed presenting. I had received summary brief yesterday and let it pass {for shame on me}. It would so appear, the Holocaust conferance is a vehicle to irritate Israel. This is apparantly not shared entirely by a considerable large group of Iranian people, other then emmediate followers of the state and Ahmadinejad.

The primary content of the brief received was as follows: {The President of the Bundestag, Lammert, condemned any attempt to spread anti-semitic propaganda under the pretext of scientific freedom and objectivity} This was forwarded to Iranian President Ahmadinejad.

The Iranians are smart. They will irritate only so far and seem to back off in the face of possible retaliation.

Charles

[sciwriter]

Today Persian Jews in Israel distribute Persian rugs worldwide. Civilization of Iran is 7,000 years.
IMO according to the thinking of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, Azhkenazic (white European Jewish) Zionists have used the Holocaust in WW2 to justify creation & control of the State of Israel.. Since they were weak and therefore were unprepared and couldn’t prevent or stop the Holocaust, why should they govern Israel? By downplaying the Holocaust, Ahmadinejad hopes to justify takeover of control of Israel by dark, Iranian Jews. Carl

[Jaga]

It is interesting that some orthodox Jews also attended the conference:
Orthodox Jews attend Iran holocaust conference

TEHRAN, Iran (UPI) -- A handful of Orthodox Jews at a conference on the Holocaust in Tehran, at which star guests include deniers of the genocide, attended because they also want an end to the Israeli state. They came, not to deny the Holocaust happened, but to protest using it as justification for the existence of Israel.

With their distinctive hats, beards and side locks, they may look like any other Orthodox believers in Jerusalem or New York, but the ones who went to Tehran are different. Some of them belong to Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City), a small group that views Zionism as a 'poison' threatening 'true Jews', BBC Online reported Tuesday.

UK-based Rabbi Aharon Cohen told the conference he prayed 'that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely the state known as Israel, be totally and peacefully dissolved'. In its place should be 'a regime fully in accordance with the aspirations of the Palestinians when Arab and Jew will be able to live peacefully together as they did for centuries,' he said.



Neturei Karta believes the very idea of an Israeli state goes against Judaism. They say he Talmud, the book of Jewish law, teaches that believers may not use force to create a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah.

Austria-based Rabbi Moishe Ayre Friedman told BBC Radio Four`s PM programme that the Holocaust was being used to legitimise the suffering of other peoples and he wanted to break what he called a taboo on discussing it. The point is not Jewish suffering in the past but the use of the Holocaust as a 'tool of commercial, military and media power'.

In what many other Jews would consider the height of naivete, he commended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for wanting 'a secured future for innocent Jewish people in Europe and elsewhere'.

lifestyle.monstersandcritics.com/religion/news/article_1232640.php/Orthodox_Jews_attend_Iran_holocaust_conference

[Pawian]

Those Iranains aren`t smart, as Besheid suggests. They are morons. Iranians may hate Jews, it is their problem. But holding a conference on a subject which has long been proved and analysed by historians, is utter ignorance. It is just stupidity. It sound as if they tried to prove that the Earth is flat and the sun still goes round it.

I can only pity those Iranians that they are so blinded by hatred and politics as to organize such nonsense.

[bescheid]

pawian said:

Those Iranians aren`t smart, as Besheid suggests. They are morons. Iranians may hate Jews, it is their problem. But holding a conference on a subject which has long been proved and analysed by historians, is utter ignorance. It is just stupidity. It sound as if they tried to prove that the Earth is flat and the sun still goes round it.

I can only pity those Iranians that they are so blinded by hatred and politics as to organize such nonsense.

Pawian

I appreciate your feelings and interest in this subject of the currant Iranian situation. In the viewpoint of non-Middle Eastern people, I agree with you, within our personal viewpoints, the actions of the Iranian Government is simply that {stupid} in our eyes.

But, to properly understand this situation, it is necessary to not view this situation through our eyes, but the use of {Empathic Understanding}, for every thing is not as it would appear. It is the use of a propaganda vehicle, to promote a division between the various Jewish factions. To break the back of confidence of the Jewish consolidation of their common beliefs in them selves, and the actions of their government.

In the eyes of the Iranians is a truth in the weakness of the Jewish people in maintaining their consolidated strength, is to maintain the common belief of being victims of the Holocaust, yes. This is the binding glue that keeps holds them together as a common factor. The Iranians understand this, what they have attempted, is to break this common belief into a fragmentation as a division of the Israelis into doubting them selves and that of their government.

The Iranians know also as that of their Arab and Syrian neighbours a truth of Israel. Israel is not a victim today. For at one time long in the past, yes of course they were victims of those dark war time days of the Holocaust, but that is long past. This is a common knowledge event that even the Iranians understand.

Today, it is realized and known, that Israel is a potentially very dangerous power, and at times, a very aggressive power. Israel today, is the most powerful nation in the Middle East and most of Africa with exception of South Africa. For many years, Israel has owned and maintained a Nuclear arsenal as a deterrent. A common count amounts into the area of over {200} of these weapons. This would not be counted of those carried within the three German designed and built submarines {unterseeboot} currently on active patrol on a rotational basis.

These tactics used by the Iranians are not that different then those tactics used by the war time allied nations during the war {WW2}. Would you actually believe that the authors of those propaganda programmes, actually believed the programmes they designed and distributed?

What the Iranians are conducting is a preplanned assault against the power of the Israelis, in weakening the base foundation of their self confidence by creating a common division. using Israelis against Israelis to attempt to weaken this binding confidence and at similar time, create confidence in the Arab faction that Israel has its weaknesses and through those weaknesses, can be conquered.

This is a similar situation that has occurred over countless events over as many centuries in the Middle East from Egypt/early Israel and Judea/Assyria/Babylonia and so on. Every thing changes, but, stays the same.

The Israelis at this time, have at their power of disposal, to light up the desert sands of the middle east in a nuclear glow, in self, this would make zero arguments as there would remain precious few people after the residual radiation subsides, to argue.

Charles

[sciwriter]

Charles, IMO this ploy of Iran's President has scared Saudis & will unite Israelis. Carl

[bescheid]

sciwriter said:

Charles, IMO this ploy of Iran's President has scared Saudis & will unite Israelis. Carl

carl

yes I would only suppose so, a good reason for them to carry their worry beads with them.

Charles