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Post by tuftabis on Jun 25, 2010 11:28:06 GMT -7
Polish-German Friendship model for other nations- The German-Polish friendship complements the internal unity of Europe and is a model of reconciliation between peoples - evaluated on Thursday in Warsaw, the foreign ministers of Germany and the Polish Guido Westerwelle and Radoslaw Sikorski.
Westerwelle i Sikorski byli gośćmi drugiego dnia obrad XIV Forum Polsko-Niemieckiego. Westerwelle and Sikorski were guests of the second day of deliberations XIV Polish-German Forum. Tegoroczne forum odbyło się pod hasłem "Polsko-niemieckie partnerstwo dla Europy". This year's forum was held under the motto "Polish-German partnership for Europe."
preview.tinyurl.com/33qajonwww.forum-ekonomiczne.pl/1066,Debate+summaries
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Post by pieter on Jun 25, 2010 13:52:37 GMT -7
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Post by Eric on Jun 25, 2010 15:59:51 GMT -7
It's interesting - both Germany and Russia have been traditional enemies, but now Poland and Germany work on improving relations while relations between Poland and Russia continue to be generally bad. Maybe the more similar neighbors have a hard time getting along? |
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Post by karl on Jun 25, 2010 17:13:50 GMT -7
This is good to be official in recognition by representatives of each respective government. In actuality, the people of both sides have exercised this many many years back, unofficially.
For the land that is farmed, never changes, but, it is the border lines that change. For once the land owned and farmed by one family of German, is after a war, now partially by official decree, in another country Poland. In as of this, will also be farmed land owned and worked by a Polish family, is partially now in Germany.
So, a visitor may ask the Polish farmer {for why is this German fellow bringing his tractor on to land that is in Poland}, the Polish farmer will describe to the visitor {Oh, that is not my land, that is Herr Otto, and he needs his tractor to work his field}.
And as the similar with the Polish farmer. Every thing is basic to the people of the soil.
We as city folk, know only of that what our governments tell us. But, to the farm people? Not so, for they are of the land, and the land must be worked.
I wonder if perhaps we needs be to of learnt from the farmer for our lessons in life.
Karl
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Post by Nictoshek on Jun 25, 2010 18:49:20 GMT -7
Listen to what a pig farmer has to say:
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Post by indianamike on Jun 26, 2010 11:07:52 GMT -7
Poland must be very carefull when dealing with Germany and Russia. I don't think we can trust them, yet.
Make them prove themselfs first.
Mike
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Post by karl on Jun 26, 2010 14:33:13 GMT -7
Listen to what a pig farmer has to say: Nictoe It would appear to be a laugh matter if not so true. The farm people are the producers of what we eat, and then, we have the audacity to complain of the prices. Even to the present after all these past years, as I open a tin of fish, I remember the stern factory fishing fleet I once served in, and the tons of the product of our labours would be shipped out upon dock in. Then whilst in restaurant, to observe what people order, then to not eat, but to instead leave for throw out. I think perhaps it is not good to think... Karl |
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Post by Eric on Jun 26, 2010 19:46:50 GMT -7
Poland must be very carefull when dealing with Germany and Russia. I don't think we can trust them, yet. Make them prove themselfs first. Mike What other choice does Poland have? America's too far away. |
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Post by indianamike on Jun 27, 2010 10:18:08 GMT -7
We were not to far away during WW II. We came to help them, and would again, when our new leader gets in office, but not now with this jerk.
Mike
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Post by tuftabis on Jun 28, 2010 9:12:02 GMT -7
We were not to far away during WW II. We came to help them, and would again, when our new leader gets in office, but not now with this jerk. Mike Hi Mike. On behalf of myself I would like to thank you for your effort to help my compatriots fighting against Nazi Germans and Soviet Russians during WWII. I am sure without your help, especially without the help of your politicians, most of all without the help of the leading one, Franklin Delano Roosvelt, in Jalta most of all, Poland and the whole Central and Eastern Europe would be in dire straits together with the whole continent. Thanks to your kind help Poland and Central and Eastern Europe was in dire straits without the whole continent. Also, I would like to thank Adolf Hitler for attacking Russia before Russia attacked Germany. Would that have happened the Red Army would stop in Lisbon and we would propobably be, together with the USA, still experimenting with real communism. Finally, I would like to thank Joseph Stalin for crushing Nazi Germany and fighting back the ancient Polish lands to Poland. Please excuse if I ommitted anyone to whom I should be grateful. |
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Post by tuftabis on Jun 28, 2010 9:16:50 GMT -7
This is good to be official in recognition by representatives of each respective government. In actuality, the people of both sides have exercised this many many years back, unofficially. For the land that is farmed, never changes, but, it is the border lines that change. For once the land owned and farmed by one family of German, is after a war, now partially by official decree, in another country Poland. In as of this, will also be farmed land owned and worked by a Polish family, is partially now in Germany. So, a visitor may ask the Polish farmer {for why is this German fellow bringing his tractor on to land that is in Poland}, the Polish farmer will describe to the visitor {Oh, that is not my land, that is Herr Otto, and he needs his tractor to work his field}. And as the similar with the Polish farmer. Every thing is basic to the people of the soil. We as city folk, know only of that what our governments tell us. But, to the farm people? Not so, for they are of the land, and the land must be worked. I wonder if perhaps we needs be to of learnt from the farmer for our lessons in life. Karl Very nice metaphor with the tractor and land, Karl. I first thought that it would suit better the German-French relations and the amounts of funds exported to France through the ingenious CAP policy  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyBut then I thought you are right. Of course all Polish land is yours now, and you may use it the way you like. Just as the German land is now ours, and we may use it the way we like. Isn't European Union great? |
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Post by tuftabis on Jun 28, 2010 9:25:16 GMT -7
It's interesting - both Germany and Russia have been traditional enemies, but now Poland and Germany work on improving relations while relations between Poland and Russia continue to be generally bad. Maybe the more similar neighbors have a hard time getting along? Eric, it is totally incomparable ;D ;D Polish people never treated Russian people as enemies, so there is not much to mend really among the peoples, among politicians- a lot. Polish people did treat German people as enemies, so there was a lot of mending needed. And it was done. Silently, slowly, grassroot way. We like to believe that our democratic governments do what the majority of voters expect to be done, or the government goes. The civil servants remain and do what they are required by the government. And the government does what we, the voters require. In 10 to 20 years Poland and Russia will be as great friends as can be, only some changes are needed. And they will come. So I believe |
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Post by karl on Jun 28, 2010 13:25:27 GMT -7
Tufta
Yes, also do I agree, The EU is a very good thing for all of us. Thank you for presenting the Pie Chart, for it is very revealing with information at a first looking glance..
With the CAP {Common Agricultural Policy}, I understand has been some what criticized for inefficiency in cost containment and un-needed storage of over production.
As a person, I do feel this is some what unwarranted and unduly received. For yes, there is in some years, storage cost of over production, then resale to 3rd world countries at prices in the whole-sale range, and so it is.
What I see, is not the lose on a ledger, for how do you measure hunger on a ledger? But, for the reason of humane export to those in-need with our agriculture over production. For many of these 3rd world countries, and granted of course, usually with dictatorship leadership, raft with corruption. But, non the less, some of the food will lend self to the people in need.
For the most of membership in the EU, use a great deal of efficiency with use of machinery to work the land, and with use of modern techniques in agriculture, it is profitable in the harvest of abundance.
///Please forgive for this straying of subject: I must describe the American techniques of agricultural farming. Not so long past, I was to view some of the methods of wheat growing in the Big Bend area of Western Washington {USA}. Very similar to the techniques used in the prairie provinces of Canada.
For as far as the eye would to see, wheat...The machinery used was very massive and quite expensive in investment cost. But, it was very efficient. The system of agriculture employed, was as a high volume business. For every thing is accounted for with very little wast. The wheat harvest combines, were equipped with the similar navigational ship board equipment we used in our fishing fleets.
What was interesting though, was the very large and sophisticated combines purchased as new. Used for a set number of hours operation, then with much of the original operational life still intact, these were resold, with the proceeds placed on a new machine. In this manner, the total cost of the machine was off set by the price difference between the new machine as purchased, against the residual value of the old machine. This then used as tax deduction for reinvestment and capital gains.
Plus, and sit down for this: They receive a farm subsidy from their federal government for leaving a percentage of land not used. ///
The underlaying purpose of these system, I am not sure, but suspect it is a manner of business dealing between their Federal Government, to insure of their agricultural cropland is kept intact. For other wise, possibly these great tracts of cropland, would be faced with sell off and or be lost to erosion and development. For as I say, I am not sure of the actual reason of this type of their Federal subsidy.
It would be interesting if Eric were to follow through with the currant agriculture techniques used at present, and their method of large scale production in The Russian Federation.
Karl
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