george
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Post by george on Apr 20, 2006 14:56:06 GMT -7
In the Polish Culture posting i wrote about my experiences of confession during Easter. My question is this. Has Catholic confession gone the way of forbidence of eating meat on Friday? I don't confess to being a devout Catholic, however i can't help but notice that 90% of churchgowers go to communion and the amount of confessers on Saturday is miniscule.
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Post by Jaga on Apr 20, 2006 17:57:32 GMT -7
In America only saints live. Almost everybody goes to the communion but nobody to the confession, in Poland it was the opposite but it is changing from what I heard.
Referring to eating meat on Friday - this is a local rule of a Polish church that do not apply to American catholics.
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Post by jimpres on May 3, 2006 6:54:42 GMT -7
Guess my age is showing. I still eat fish on Fridays. The day is not the same without it.
Jim
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piwo
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Post by piwo on May 3, 2006 18:46:02 GMT -7
Referring to eating meat on Friday - this is a local rule of a Polish church that do not apply to American catholics. While in Poland, our Poish cousins served meat and fish on Friday (not lent of course). We did have fish for Sniadanie and Obiad but there was plenty of meat as well. Kolacja was grilled kielbasa! Catholics still observe no meat during Lent, unless you have an Irish Archbishop over your diocese, and then they grant a "special dispensation" so you can eat meat on an Irish drinking holiday that falls frequently during Lent. We have that very situation here, with the "Polish church closing" Raymond Burke, who is Irish.
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Post by hollister on May 4, 2006 12:39:31 GMT -7
I spent an hour and a half at Church last night for the special Mary, Queen of Poland Mass - then we all went over to the Polish Center for Bigos! Not that this has much to do with the topic I just thought I would share...
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nancy
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Post by nancy on May 4, 2006 13:26:58 GMT -7
In the Polish Culture posting i wrote about my experiences of confession during Easter. My question is this. Has Catholic confession gone the way of forbidence of eating meat on Friday? I don't confess to being a devout Catholic, however i can't help but notice that 90% of churchgowers go to communion and the amount of confessers on Saturday is miniscule. No one has really addressed George's post, which was about going to confession, and/or receivng communion without going to confession. Round about 1980 I was surprised - no, schocked - to learn that the non-Catholic that my niece was marrying was allowed to take communion during their wedding Mass. So I would guess that 25 years later, people can take communion without having gone to confession, much less being a member of the Church. Not that I have been there lately,,,,
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Post by Jaga on May 4, 2006 19:09:55 GMT -7
Nancy,
In America people go to communion more readily than in Poland. But American church does not allow the non-member to take a communion in a Catholic church.
***I was surprised - no, schocked - to learn that the non-Catholic that my niece was marrying was allowed to take communion during their wedding Mass***
this had to be a misunderstanding - officially the Catholic church would not allow it. But when I attend a service in a Lutheran church in inlaws encourage me to take a communion in their church because rules or Lutheran church are different
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Post by jimpres on May 5, 2006 12:48:16 GMT -7
Anyone can take communion, does not mean it is right. The priest can't remember all those who have gone to confession. Called breaking the rules.
Jim
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george
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Post by george on May 5, 2006 15:48:11 GMT -7
The priest can't remember all those who have gone to confession. Called b"reaking the rules."
I'm glad they don't do that. A priest is a priest, not a guy who figures out who sinned and who didn't. If that was the case the communion rail would probably be empty. Afterall, i'm sure they would be the first to admit they sin also and the laity doesn't question him. I think the important thing is the vast majority of Catholics nowadays take part in Christ's feast. Overall, thats a great change.
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Post by justjohn on May 6, 2006 5:00:30 GMT -7
Nancy, In America people go to communion more readily than in Poland. But American church does not allow the non-member to take a communion in a Catholic church. ***I was surprised - no, schocked - to learn that the non-Catholic that my niece was marrying was allowed to take communion during their wedding Mass*** this had to be a misunderstanding - officially the Catholic church would not allow it. But when I attend a service in a Lutheran church in inlaws encourage me to take a communion in their church because rules or Lutheran church are different Back in 'Ancient Times', when my wife and I were considering marriage, we went to Sacred Heart Church in New Britain, CT to find out what had to be done. Reason: wife is an Episcopalian. Now this is 1970. The answere was that it did not matter. She was viewed as a Catholic. There were no special classes, training, indoctrination etc. to convert here over. The church recognized the marriage if it was performed in the Episcopal or Catholic church. We married in St. Brendans Catholic Church in Colebrook, NH. Later as our children were growing, my wife was a catechism teacher at the Catholic Church. She still was and is today a Episcopalian. Not sure if this helps but it sure as hell confuses me.
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Post by jeanne on May 7, 2006 15:45:42 GMT -7
In the Polish Culture posting i wrote about my experiences of confession during Easter. My question is this. Has Catholic confession gone the way of forbidence of eating meat on Friday? I don't confess to being a devout Catholic, however i can't help but notice that 90% of churchgowers go to communion and the amount of confessers on Saturday is miniscule. No one has really addressed George's post, which was about going to confession, and/or receivng communion without going to confession. Round about 1980 I was surprised - no, schocked - to learn that the non-Catholic that my niece was marrying was allowed to take communion during their wedding Mass. So I would guess that 25 years later, people can take communion without having gone to confession, much less being a member of the Church. Not that I have been there lately,,,,
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Post by jeanne on May 7, 2006 16:20:45 GMT -7
Okay, so the above post was my poor attempt at quoting Nancy's comment about the wedding in 1980 when the non-Catholic that her niece was marrying was allowed to receive Communion. Unfortunately I am totally (almost ) computer-illiterate and cannot figure out how to operate the quote thing. Someone please help me! Where are all the computer whizzes when I need them?
Anyway, what I was going to say was that I was married in 1975 and my maid of honor was a non-Catholic. The priest told her that she could receive Communion at the ceremony if she was in the habit of receiving communion in her own church, which she was. I believe such practices were a result of the confusion which was rampant in the Church in the years following Vatican II. Priests were taking the liberty of interpreting the Council however they wished. I believe the Church has recently begun to "clean up its act" and that these things would not now be allowed today. The papacy of John Paul II had a lot to do with this clarification of things. Anyone wanting an authoritative word on this issue needs only look in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church for an answer. And in the US most of the monthly missalettes that many churches subscribe to have the regulations clearly spelled out on the back cover for any non-Catholics who might be in attendance and wondering if they should approach the altar for Communion.
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nancy
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Post by nancy on May 7, 2006 18:20:52 GMT -7
Jeanne,
So, are you saying that the liberal 1970s have been replaced by a more conservative approach, and that a non-Catholic would not be allowed to take communion today?
BTW, you are almost there with the quote thing. After you choose the quote button, just add your message at the bottom. You can also edit the message that is quoted, by deleting the parts you don't want to repeat.
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Post by rdywenur on May 7, 2006 21:31:21 GMT -7
Highlight the text you wish to use for quote > click on the reply button > click on the quote button >insert the cursor between the two quote brackets > right click your mouse and select paste
You can then preview to see if your quote has been selected as you wish to have it posted. >click on post reply
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george
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Post by george on May 8, 2006 16:51:32 GMT -7
Jeanne... i agree. Nowadays priests who know they have many non-catholics in attendance will inform people if they are non catholics to step up to the priest a make a bow in respect. i have seen this, however many will receive anyway. However in so far as " cleaning up its act " is concerned i tend to feel that it is nothing wrong with non catholics receiving. By letting them receive it shows ecumenisim at its best. i doubt that lettting non catholics receive is lessening catholic communion.
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