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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Sept 22, 2013 8:46:16 GMT -7
rawstory.com Pope Francis lashes out at world economic system for worshiping a ‘god called money’ By Scott Kaufman Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:12 EDT Pope Francis waves as he leaves after his weekly general audience in St Peter's Square at the Vatican on May 8, 2013. (AFP)  On Sunday, Pope Francis discarded his prepared remarks for Mass after speaking with an unemployed father-of-three who, according to Reuters, told him that unemployment “oppresses you and wears you out to the depths of your soul.” The pope improvised on this theme for over twenty minutes, saying “I find suffering here … It weakens you and robs you of hope. Excuse me if I use strong words, but where there is no work there is no dignity.” “We don’t want this globalized economic system which does us so much harm,” he reportedly continued. “Men and women have to be at the center [of economic systems] as God wants, not money.” “The world has become an idolator of this god called money.” The pope laid blame for the Italian economic downturn at the feet of the world economy, saying “It is not a problem of Italy and Europe … It is the consequence of a world choice, of an economic system that brings about this tragedy, an economic system that has at its center an idol which is called money.” He later spoke of the “hidden euthanasia” of neglect that afflicts those the economy considers unproductive: “To defend this economic culture, a throwaway culture has been installed. We throw away grandparents, and we throw away young people. We have to say no to his throwaway culture. We want a just system that helps everyone.” Francis concluded with a prayer for what he called “work, work, work,” and the 20,000 gathered to hear him speak cheered along with each iteration of the ways in which “unemployment robs workers of their dignity.” [Image via AFP] |
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Post by kaima on Nov 14, 2013 5:38:43 GMT -7
Palin: Pope Francis' Comments 'Sound Kind of Liberal'
Tuesday, 12 Nov 2013 04:35 PM
By Todd Beamon
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Tuesday that she was "taken aback" by some of Pope Francis' comments, which she said "sound kind of liberal."
"He's had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me," the 2008 Republican presidential candidate told CNN. She has a new book, "Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas."
But Palin, 49, cautioned that she needed to "do my own homework" rather than trust news media reports on the pope's comments.
"Unless I really dig deep into what his messaging is, and do my own homework, I'm not going to just trust what I hear in the media," she told CNN's Jake Tapper.
Since assuming the papacy in March, Francis has made statements that have run counter to those of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI.
Two months later, for instance, he said in a homily that atheists should be embraced as good people if they do good works, and that all people, whether religious or not, should be able to work together.
"Even them, everyone," the Pope explained on Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good . . . Just do good, and we'll find a meeting point."
Pope Benedict, 86, was often criticized by non-Catholics for giving the impression that he saw them as second-class believers, according to news reports.
In addition, Pope Francis, who is a decade younger than his predecessor, has made eyebrow-raising comments about homosexuality, abortion, and contraception.
"We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage, and the use of contraceptive methods," he said in an October interview.
In her interview, Palin described herself as a "born-again Christian" who attended a nondenominational, "Bible-believing church" in Alaska.
"When I was a young girl, I remember looking around the beauty of Alaska ... and knowing even as a kid, wow, there is something greater than self," Palin said.
"I put my life in God's hands at that moment," she said, noting that she was 12 at the time. "I remember calling out to God and saying, 'I believe you.'"
Palin noted that, over the years, "I find myself on my knees calling out to God for assistance, for help, for encouragement — because there has been a lot of things that have surprised us in our family life that, if I didn't have that faith, I don't know how I would be standing today. My faith is everything to me."
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From her comment that "Unless I really dig deep into what his messaging is, and do my own homework, I'm not going to just trust what I hear in the media,", it sounds as if she set pre-conditions that she herself will never meet in her shallow world.
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Post by karl on Nov 14, 2013 15:44:19 GMT -7
For one, am I not to contend as counter to a pope, in no manner or way. But, as a protestant, I do have an opinion of that I wish to offer in differance.
It is in my own opinion the good Pope Frances needs be to get out of his rosery of nonsense, and look into the real world of man, yes man, not those disgusting manners of idiols that is of the Kathelick option, for this was of those hated romans of so long past we must endure as civilized people with their false gods placed upon us as calenders.
Yes of course, my self as a barbarion in the manner of the ancient forest of my ancesters, but to the present. I am a man, but who are you? Have you the grit of courage to speak out? Or, are your self simply a simpleton of dirt grower to the scholosen occupiers of your mind?
I do not beleive this to be the case, for most/many of you are very much simular to my self as a transplated viking into a land that is not my own, but was/is my chosin land, and so be it.. It is to then the sword of the viking to strike as the welder will then determine.
To this though, will go a risk, and that risk is to rather risk the sword of Gidian to the risk of sword of my self?
AS an viking of Dansk, my self as I have always done, will go forthe with sword of the word, withen the hearts of oppostition, to then contain withen the real world of funding, to gain in truth, funding as requested. In this manner, the emmidate world is mine. For nothing moves with out funding.
Ask your pope of this?
Karl {The Dansk Barbarian}
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Post by uncltim on Nov 14, 2013 20:26:04 GMT -7
Courageous and Intelligent words Karl.
Tim (The Heretical Servant)
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Post by karl on Nov 15, 2013 6:25:28 GMT -7
Courageous and Intelligent words Karl. Tim (The Heretical Servant) Tim First may I welcom you back, for you have been missed. Second, thank you most graciusly for you compliment. In truth, my entent was to deleat out that particular post as being lacking in quality suitable for our forum. But, as you have responded, I must now leave it entact.. It is my most wish that those reviewing will read with understanding. For as you have brought forward, a bit risky, for many here are Cathiolic and the risk is offense to them. If though, to read with understanding is the understanding of them selves in the strength of thier belifes. For religious beliefs are as a new law, it is never strong until tested in an appelant court of law. Once to pass that judgement, to then become a very well based law. Our religious beliefs are very simular, for it is not enough to simply attend a respective church once weekly and say: I am religious and forgiven of my sins, and there for may walk the earth free of all sins. I think perhaps this notion needs be reviewed in the light of day. For to attend the respective church of personal choice, is to provide strength to others by virtue of strength in numbers and renewal of faith. The situation though in reality is: We carry our religious beliefs withen our hearts on a 24 hour 7 day week, not just on a specific day of the week. Our individul faith is a covent between our selves and God. We do not need a third party person to represent our selves to God. We are our own representative by virtue of the covent we have formed between our selves and God. But, withen this, it is important to support the church of our choice for the maintenance of the house of God. And this is with attendence in the company of others... I realize what I have so brought forward above, places my self on a very thin branch. For in this manner, to be knocked off is not so bad, it is the landing that hurts. Thank you once again Tim, for your response and for your presence... Karl |
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Nov 15, 2013 6:56:52 GMT -7
Courageous and Intelligent words Karl. Tim (The Heretical Servant) Tim, Welcome back. Karl, I agree with Tim's comments 100%. I was born Catholic and grew up with their evil inquisitors. Nuns and priests. When I left home, traveled through many countries and cultures I became Agnostic. John the Nonsectarian |
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Nov 17, 2013 5:11:23 GMT -7
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Post by kaima on Nov 26, 2013 9:36:33 GMT -7
Pope Attacks 'Tyranny' of Markets in Manifesto for Papacy
By REUTERS
Published: November 26, 2013 at 6:03 AM ET
VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny" and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church.
Reuters
The 84-page document, known as an apostolic exhortation, was the first major work he has authored alone as pope and makes official many views he has aired in sermons and remarks since he became the first non-European pontiff in 1,300 years in March.
In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money", and urged politicians to "attack the structural causes of inequality" and strive to provide work, healthcare and education to all citizens.
He also called on rich people to share their wealth. "Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills," Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.
"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2 points?"
The pope said renewal of the Church could not be put off and said the Vatican and its entrenched hierarchy "also need to hear the call to pastoral conversion".
"I prefer a Church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security," he wrote.
Italian theologian Massimo Faggioli greeted the work as "the manifesto of Francis" while veteran Vatican analyst John Thavis called it a "Magna Carta for church reform".
"The message on poverty sets Pope Francis on a collision course with neo-liberal Catholic thought, especially in the United States," said Faggioli, an expert on the Second Vatican Council and reform in the Catholic Church.
Other Catholic analysts added that progressive streams in the Church would bristle at the document's rejection of women priests, though it leaves open the door to women taking other "decision-making" positions in the Church.
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In July, Francis finished an encyclical begun by Pope Benedict but he made clear that it was largely the work of his predecessor, who resigned in February.
Called "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel), the exhortation is presented in Francis' simple preaching style, distinct from the more academic writings of former popes, and stresses the Church's central mission of spreading the gospel.
A meditation on how to revitalize a Church suffering encroaching secularization in the West, the exhortation echoed the zeal often heard from evangelical Protestants who have won over disaffected Catholics in the pope's native Latin America.
In it, economic inequality features as one of the issues Francis is most concerned about, and the 76-year-old pontiff calls for an overhaul of the financial system and warns that unequal distribution of wealth inevitably leads to violence.
Denying it was simple populism, he called for action "beyond a simple welfare mentality" and added: "I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor."
Since his election, Francis has set an example for austerity in the Church, living in a Vatican guest house rather than the ornate Apostolic Palace, travelling in a Ford Focus, and last month suspending a bishop who spent millions of euros on his luxurious residence.
He chose to be called "Francis" after the medieval Italian saint of the same name famed for choosing a life of poverty.
Munich Cardinal Reinhard Marx, one of eight special papal advisers, said the pope aimed his criticism at modern society "but also at the Church itself, which is always tempted to look inward and betray its mission of evangelization".
Stressing cooperation among religions, Francis quoted the late Pope John Paul II's idea that the papacy might be reshaped to promote closer ties with other Christian churches and noted lessons Rome could learn from the Orthodox such as "synodality" or decentralized leadership.
He praised cooperation with Jews and Muslims and urged Islamic countries to guarantee their Christian minorities the same religious freedom as Muslims enjoy in the West.
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