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Post by Jaga on Oct 18, 2007 18:18:32 GMT -7
Polish immigrant in Canada died after being treated with taser: A Polish immigrant died Sunday at the Vancouver airport following a scuffle with federal police, using a taser. His mother Zosia Cisowski, 61, told the daily Globe and Mail her son was probably confused and anxious over his first-ever flight, and was surely frustrated at being unable to find someone to communicate with him in Polish, his only language. afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jj_hD5m-__3j58KdhhIjVlefIZgA |
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Post by bescheid on Oct 18, 2007 19:14:19 GMT -7
I also had read of this in the Leader/Post {Regina Saskatchewan News print}, as also in The Province {Vancouver B.C. News print}. I think the dear lady was very much under stating the situation of her son. He apparently fairly much torn up the lobby office before arrival of the RMCP. Within the circumstances of the incident, I would personally lay not blame upon the officers, if all other means of subduing this act of violence was first applied, then in failure, yes by all means, use the next phase of violence control with use of non-lethal weapons. For the responsibility will lay upon the RCMP officers with protection of the public and enforcement of law. It is still so tragic for a person to die for no good reason. www.canada.com/theprovince/story.html?id=4b9cbae7-36af-4527-8411-0299e4763807&k=65620Charles |
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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2007 15:38:41 GMT -7
Charles, thanks for your respectful reply. This is always a tragedy. I just saw the information that there are about 20 cases of people who died by being treated with taser. here is more: Victoria Polish group mourns Taser victim Judith Lavoie, Times Colonist Published: Monday, November 19, 2007 Every time Grazyna Sommerfeld sees the harrowing video of Robert Dziekanski's death, she shivers at the thought that it could have been her mother. Ten years ago, Sommerfeld's mother visited Canada from Poland for the first and last time and found Vancouver International Airport a terrifying experience. "She was stopped at the airport by officers with a dog," said Sommerfeld, who was among 150 Polish-Canadians and friends who gathered at the White Eagle Hall in James Bay yesterday for the annual celebration of Polish independence day. Despite the traditional music and dancing and tables heaped with Polish food, this year was different. Photos of Dziekanski, who died after being shocked by an RCMP Taser at the Vancouver airport, and his mother Zofia Cisowski were displayed on a table, along with a donation box. "We want to raise as much as we can and send it to [Dziekanski's] mother to help her send his ashes to Poland," said Stan Planeta, president of the Polish Association of Victoria. www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=ac2ef4a0-58a9-4a81-8dde-afb004f8b6c1&k=24941 |
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Post by george on Nov 19, 2007 17:38:05 GMT -7
I watched this film on " You Tube". It was disgusting! The man was backing up as four of Canda's " Finest" shot him twice with a taser gun. It was one of the most cowardly acts iv'e seen it some time. The man wasn't armed ( HE WAS IN A SECURE AIRPORT FACILTY). So we have four brave Mounties confronting a tired hungry and confused man. Do they try to talk him down from his agitation?? Hell no. They fire two taser shots into him! Four burly so called cops and they can't even handle a situation that most cops should be able to handle. I can't imagine this happening in Poland. Agree citizens of Poland? Here's my prediction. The cops in this incident will get suspended WITH PAY for a short or long period of time and nothing, NOTHING will happen to them. They will go on with thier carriers and someday reap a genrous pension. Mark my words.
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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2007 18:36:03 GMT -7
George,
you are right. They should just immobilize him - four men was enought!
This also poses a problem of a lack of communication with the foreigners, not enough care for them! It is always so stressful to be in another town, aiport and country!
here is video:
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Post by Jaga on Nov 20, 2007 13:46:54 GMT -7
Some friends here in Idaho asked me more about this tasering case. This man did not receive any help. He was waiting for 10 hours at the airport. His mother who could not pass through the security gates was told that he did not arrived. The security is more important than the care for people.
The big airports are very unfriendly to people. For me it is a real stress to fly when I have to go through a new airport not knowing where to go. It was even worse when Ela was small. I remember we had to go through Chicago airport from one gate to another. I could not use the escalator, since we were with small Ela. We had so much extra stuff. It was just so hard!
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Post by kaima on Nov 20, 2007 15:25:59 GMT -7
Jaga,
This story is much sadder than my bad experience at coming back to the US a few years ago. In 1970 Communist Hungary was the country that introduced me to a police state in action. Crossing the border was an interesting lesson in scare tactics and tommy guns, and lots and lots of uniforms. That was the first time I noted that they treated westerners better than they did their own people.
Around 2005 I was flying back to the US from Budapest and the check in and security in Budapest was quite professional, thorough and friendly while businesslike. Upon arrival in Seattle the whole plane load of passengers was greeted by multiple wanna-be cops in black uniforms and big dogs, with the black uniformed police barking at us "single file, up against the wall as you pass!"
It was a horrible way to introduce visitors to the USA. It was an insult to US citizens. I look forward to the day when we get these cowards out of the White House and bring some professionalism to the security of America, while we citizens assume our proper responsibility.
It is hard to imagine that the Canadians are also capable of such a major screw-up.
Kai
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Post by Jaga on Dec 1, 2007 9:24:21 GMT -7
B.C. police want to go to Poland for Taser probe Would go to hometown of Dziekanski to get medical, personal data Nov 30, 2007 04:30 AM tonda maccharles ottawa bureau OTTAWA–British Columbia police investigators want to travel to Poland to look into the medical and personal background of Robert Dziekanski, who died last month after being jolted by an RCMP Taser gun. Cpl. Dale Carr, a spokesperson for B.C.'s Integrated Homicide Investigation Team leading the police probe of Dziekanski's Oct. 14 death, said in an interview investigators are seeking the necessary authorizations, including permission to travel to Dziekanski's hometown Gliwice, likely early in 2008. Investigators will try to obtain "whatever information" would be relevant to the investigation to explain what killed Dziekanski, including his medical history and if he had any criminal past, said Carr. The RCMP said after his death that Dziekanski, out of control and combative in Vancouver airport, was shot twice with a Taser in an attempt to immobilize him and "(the device) didn't seem to have any kind of effect on him." But video since released shows Dziekanski dropping to the floor writhing and howling in pain. www.thestar.com/News/article/281313 |
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Post by Jaga on Dec 1, 2007 9:26:13 GMT -7
Kai,
I read your post before and I did not respond, sorry. There are different lines for US citizens and residents and for the visitors. When I was a visitor I felt treated worse since we had to pass through longer lines and more security. In some aspects I understand that this is necessary, still it felt bad.
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Post by bescheid on Dec 1, 2007 12:19:50 GMT -7
I watched the surveillance camera recording of the incident as public disclosure. The violence is well documented. What is missing is this:
There have not been a cause of death disclosed through autopsy. Nor has a writ of disclosure been served by the Polish Government to the RCMP/Medical examiner.
There may not be an basis of wrongful action to be served, if not a cause of death has been discovered..
At present, this is one of several cases involving use of taser weapons by the RCMP in other provinces. The manufacturer of the weapons purchased by enforcement agencies in the USA and that of Canada, has showed a great amount of interest into this, for they are very concerned as it is use of their products.
The RCMP though, has made the mistake of investigation of their own ranks with use of their own internal investigative departments. This is a mistake. The incidents need most dearly, to be investigated by an unrelated Federal Department. For to remove the stink of complacency and for public confidence.
These officers of the RMCP must operated in enforcement of the laws of Canada in not just populated areas of the provinces, but for the most part, as a one man force in remote areas. For they do not nor expect, any back up in what so ever. They must do what is necessary in protection of law and the order of law.
I have worked and lived in Regina of that centre of the Academy of the RMCP. These are your finest of young men and women to that of many in years to arrive, will depend upon them for protection and preservation of laws and order.
But, an agency do not investigate them selves.
Charles
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Post by leslie on Dec 1, 2007 15:07:27 GMT -7
Charles and George
I have to write to say I go along completely with the comments you have made over this disgusting episode. If 4 burly RCMPs cannot overcome by traditional police methods someone who was obviously in a difficult state - for whatever reason - without shooting him twice with Tasers, before they would even know the effect this could have on him, then they should be ashamed to call themselves policemen. Why are they going to Poland now, after the mistake event that occurred? If they find he had a bad heart, short-term terminal cancer, etc, this is going to ease their consciences for killing him? OK they didn't know whether or not he had anything of these natures, but the problem could have been resolved in a number of other, safer, ways - do Canadian police no longer carry truncheons or do they not like to come into contact with non-stunned people?
Leslie
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Post by freetobe on Dec 1, 2007 16:10:16 GMT -7
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Have any of you viewed the tapes of the arrest and confinement of a NY woman at the Phoenix, Arizona airport. The woman was on her way to a substance abuse rehab facility. She apparently lost it due to a flight connection problem. What is "known" is the police detained her in handcuffs and she subsequently accidentally strangled herself while trying to free herself. The tragedy here is this woman was most likely in a severely agitated state from withdrawal and the flight connection problem was more than she could handle. In any case police and security officers over reacted to this situation. This not the first and probably not the last time. Law enforcement officers seem to have a mind set that anybody acting out should be controlled by any means possible. It only gets worse because of 9/11's stepped up security measures and the lee way it provides to law enforcement. The cops here simply treated the woman as an obstructive person which she appeared to be, but to leave her alone, hand cuffed in a severely agitated state is reprehensible.
There has to be a better way.
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Post by Jaga on Dec 3, 2007 23:39:33 GMT -7
The newspapers still talk about a Polish man in Canada. Here is more from Christian Science Monitor, with the photos: www.csmonitor.com/2007/1203/p99s01-duts.htmlTaser death in Canada sparks heated debate around the worldVancouver: Members of the Polish community attended a rally on Nov. 24 in support of Robert Dziekanski, a Polish man who died after being tasered by police at Vancouver International Airport.Dziekanski's death has sparked ethical concerns over the use of tasers by law enforcement officials. Nine investigations, including one by the Polish government, have opened into the death of Robert Dziekanski, a Polish national who died Oct. 14 almost immediately after he was Tasered by Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RMCP) at the Vancouver International Airport, reports CanWest News Service. Polish officials said the aim of their inquiry was to verify whether Canadian police "involuntarily caused the death of a Polish citizen." www.csmonitor.com/2007/1203/csmimg/ODU1203_P1.jpg |
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Post by nathanael on Mar 7, 2008 14:24:43 GMT -7
I doubt it is legal to use a Taser twice on a person. In every case, these policemen are cowards bringing shame to Canada. I just hope that they do not leave Gliwice without being tased twice, themselves! Let them see how it feels!
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Post by Pawian on Dec 29, 2008 17:17:40 GMT -7
Polish immigrant in Canada died after being treated with taser: American airport security is also tough on Poles.
US airport security harasses elderly Poles?
thenews.pl
22.12.2008
More and more Poles complain about the US airport immigration
services: even the elderly pare being harassed.
Dziennik reports of one 73-years-old Polish woman, who was delayed from visiting her son and grandson in New York after she was taken from the airport to a cell in handcuffs.
According to the officers, the woman had violated US immigration law – a few years earlier she illegally prolonged her stay in the US.
In November another Polish woman aged 81 was also transported to custody in handcuffs.
Poland's foreign ministry has already complained to US consul-general to Poland, Philip Mine.
"We respect the right of US law to refuse Polish citizens on their
territory. But we decided to point to the humanitarian aspect of the
case," explains foreign ministry's spokesman Piotr Paszkowski.
Paszkowski.
To avoid such cases in the future the US is considering launching an
information campaign in Poland on its immigration law.
Only this year the US Citizenship and Immigration Services have sent back home several dozen Poles who landed on the US soil. The number of rejected Poles increased with every month – in November as many as 13 were forced to return to Poland, more than any other month this
year.
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