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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Feb 8, 2016 5:47:24 GMT -7
'Refugees' Harass Women in Russian Nightclub, Are Promptly Beaten and Sent to Prison
There's something to be said for Russian justice
Cologne, take note.
We can't speak for Europe, but in Russia, molesting women in public places is not advisable.
A group of approximately 50 "refugees" who were deported from Norway for bad behavior decided to partake in a bit of groping at a Murmansk nightclub.
Being Russia, the results were predictable:
The refugees allegedly groped and harassed women in a similar manner as the assaults in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. A group of male Russians took them aside to “educate” them that “Cologne is 2,500 kilometers south of here.”
The refugees tried to flee but were quickly captured by the Russians. They then took them out to the street and gave them a beating they will remember. Police arrived to break up the fight but locals report that they threw a few punches at the refugees before arresting 33 of them. Eighteen refugees were in such bad condition they had to be take to the hospital.
We don't want to romanticize vigilante justice, but in a civilized society, assaulting women (or anyone, for that matter) should have swift, painful consequences. Ball's in your court, Europe.
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Post by karl on Feb 8, 2016 7:49:58 GMT -7
J.J.
Interesting, this of street justice. Yes, it is effective, and is a situation that is not alone with the Russians, there are areas in such cities as Berlin that it is not good to be an outsider, and worse, to cause a problem.
Russians for the most part, and they are people such as our selves, but not exactly. For their history and life differs considerable from us in the West. Non the less, most as individuals want what most all of us desire, that is reasonable comfort, freedom of choice, manner to pursue their choice of work and protection to them selves, their families and, freedom from fear.
It is just the manner of achieving the above that differs from us in the West.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Feb 8, 2016 11:40:37 GMT -7
Dear John and Karl,
I don't think that what happened in Cologne could happen in the Netherlands. I do believe today that Dutch people are a slightly more aggressive Germanic people than Germans today.
If such a thing like in Cologne would happen mosques, muslim cultural centres and migrant homes would burn and islamic grave yards would be damaged. Like I stated before unfortunately my country has a lot of hooligans, nationalists and other thugs today.
But now one would or should accept the harassment of woman. I wouldn't allow my mother, sister, girlfriends, female colleagues, female neighbours or other female familymembers or acqaintances to be harassed, abused or humiliated.
The present day climate after Cologne is intolerant of sexism and harassment of women and girls.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by karl on Feb 8, 2016 12:50:22 GMT -7
Pieter
What you have mentioned is of truth, for not to paint with a too broad brush, but perhaps a carry over from the last war to be very careful and tread a good path most German people do. But then, most are simply contending with family affairs, work, bills and traffic. The remainder of personal energy for family and friends.
It would so appear as you have rightly mentioned, the Cologne situation has stamped the ticket held by most Islamics. Now from the present, to the foreseeable future, they are on notice and needs be very very careful how they tread. For to the deserving will go the rewards of their deeds.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Feb 8, 2016 21:12:37 GMT -7
Hi Pieter,
I also believe that the same accident could not happen in Netherlands. Dutch were always world-smart.
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Post by Jaga on Feb 8, 2016 21:14:28 GMT -7
John, do you post these information so that you find a justification for banning refugees from coming to Europe or the US? If yes, think twice, since there are thousands of people in need for help, otherwise they would die or be mistreated more than some of these people who were harassed.'Refugees' Harass Women in Russian Nightclub, Are Promptly Beaten and Sent to PrisonThere's something to be said for Russian justice Cologne, take note. We can't speak for Europe, but in Russia, molesting women in public places is not advisable. A group of approximately 50 "refugees" who were deported from Norway for bad behavior decided to partake in a bit of groping at a Murmansk nightclub. Being Russia, the results were predictable: The refugees allegedly groped and harassed women in a similar manner as the assaults in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. A group of male Russians took them aside to “educate” them that “Cologne is 2,500 kilometers south of here.” The refugees tried to flee but were quickly captured by the Russians. They then took them out to the street and gave them a beating they will remember. Police arrived to break up the fight but locals report that they threw a few punches at the refugees before arresting 33 of them. Eighteen refugees were in such bad condition they had to be take to the hospital. We don't want to romanticize vigilante justice, but in a civilized society, assaulting women (or anyone, for that matter) should have swift, painful consequences. Ball's in your court, Europe. |
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Feb 9, 2016 5:51:15 GMT -7
John, do you post these information so that you find a justification for banning refugees from coming to Europe or the US? If yes, think twice, since there are thousands of people in need for help, otherwise they would die or be mistreated more than some of these people who were harassed.'Refugees' Harass Women in Russian Nightclub, Are Promptly Beaten and Sent to PrisonThere's something to be said for Russian justice Cologne, take note. We can't speak for Europe, but in Russia, molesting women in public places is not advisable. A group of approximately 50 "refugees" who were deported from Norway for bad behavior decided to partake in a bit of groping at a Murmansk nightclub. Being Russia, the results were predictable: The refugees allegedly groped and harassed women in a similar manner as the assaults in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. A group of male Russians took them aside to “educate” them that “Cologne is 2,500 kilometers south of here.” The refugees tried to flee but were quickly captured by the Russians. They then took them out to the street and gave them a beating they will remember. Police arrived to break up the fight but locals report that they threw a few punches at the refugees before arresting 33 of them. Eighteen refugees were in such bad condition they had to be take to the hospital. We don't want to romanticize vigilante justice, but in a civilized society, assaulting women (or anyone, for that matter) should have swift, painful consequences. Ball's in your court, Europe. Jaga, The words are not mine to display. The article was taken verbatim from the original and the authors words are what you read. Sorry but I can't accept the criticism. |
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Post by Jaga on Feb 9, 2016 17:55:03 GMT -7
John,
I am also sorry if I sounded harsh. I have no doubts that this really happened. I have no doubt that some of the immigrants behave badly and they had to learn Western European ways. I am just afraid that we just see one part of the story. If somebody is against immigrants they would only see how much harm they bring, they do not see the victims - hundreds of thousands of misplaced and mistreated and dead people in Syria and in the region.
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Post by Jaga on Feb 11, 2016 21:42:33 GMT -7
John, here is information from the Economist. It looks that lots of information about refugees attacks are overblowed or blantly made up. I did not even look for these news. I just read it in the Economist, then I looked for its digital copy www.economist.com/news/europe/21690050-adolescents-fib-blows-up-international-incident-girl-not-abductedGirl, not abducted
An adolescent’s fib blows up into an international incident
The wisdom of crowds
LISA F. is a 13-year-old Russian-German girl who lives in Berlin. On January 11th she disappeared for about 30 hours. When she resurfaced, she claimed to have been abducted and raped by a group of migrants. Russian media pounced on the story, whipping their audiences into a frenzy. Even the Kremlin got in on it. On January 26th Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, accused Germany of hushing up the case in order “to paint over reality with political correctness”. The charge was that Germany, a victim of Western decadence and the naive refugee policy of its chancellor, could not or would not protect “our Lisa”. In the current political climate, many people in Russia and Germany are eager to believe such a message. Among them are many “Russian-Germans”: ethnic Germans who lived for centuries in Russia but in recent decades have moved back to Germany, where they number about 2m. Many watch Russian television. Thousands of them took to German streets to protest for Lisa. They were joined by German nationalists and some supporters of the NPD, a neo-Nazi party eager to spread any negative rumour about refugees. In this section Berlin’s police, ever conscientious about upholding the law and exercising discretion, kept their initial statements matter-of-fact. They had no evidence of any abduction, but were investigating the possibility that Lisa had engaged in consensual sex earlier on (which might constitute statutory rape). Of two suspects, neither was a migrant. Undaunted, the Russian media continued to peddle conspiracy theories. Germans gradually became outraged by their failure to respect due process. Even Germany’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who usually displays an embarrassing eagerness to accommodate Russian vanity, called Moscow’s statements “political propaganda”. Mr Lavrov replied that he interpreted that as an admission of guilt. On January 29th the police explained what had actually taken place. Lisa F. spent the night of January 11th with her 19-year-old boyfriend. She had had problems at school, the prosecutor’s office says, and didn’t dare to go home. Crises of trust wherever one looks. |
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Post by karl on Feb 12, 2016 13:53:38 GMT -7
Jaga
Thank you for your updated reply reguarding this issue. In regards to often published accounts by journalist in such matters as presented. Often it is difficult for them whilst competing for a scoop, they are not party to the initial investigation and what is conjecture and what is real and valid. For police investigators are primarly gathering evidence that a crime has been committed and as so, must protect the scene to gather and preserve evidence for prosecution. Whilst initial investigation is in progress, information for public dissemination is very limited, it is then journalist become frustrated and use what ever informational resources that are available which often are not reliable but non-the-less are used to promote their information gathering as news. This is something best left to Pieter for better description..
Germany is a Federal State and competencies are shared and divided between Federal and each Länder respectively. These means for most instances, the respective Länder is responsible for their respective police investigation as first responder, then if deemed necessary, Federal police resources then are involved.
This incident is a single case constituting only that case as indicated. Other cases that are separate or as such, similar in circumstance{s} must be treated as separate and different cases.
For no matter the circumstances of ethnic or foreign non German standing, each falls into the area of protection by the national law{s} and each must be treated as a separate incident.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Feb 13, 2016 1:01:42 GMT -7
Karl,
good explanation. I agree that Germany is more regionalized than Poland is and they have an obligation to do the investigation. It is not good when rumours disturb the real story, which probably happened due to blaming imigrants.
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