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Post by valpomike on Feb 3, 2008 16:43:11 GMT -7
To all,
I love Fish, and all around me, are Beef eaters, but I find when in Poland, most all love Pork, Pig, Why is this?
I can take Ham, and Spare Ribs, and Bacon, but no more, and they like it all, anyway.
I think I did see as many cows as pigs, so why Pork?
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by livia on Feb 4, 2008 3:30:43 GMT -7
To all, I love Fish, and all around me, are Beef eaters, but I find when in Poland, most all love Pork, Pig, Why is this? I can take Ham, and Spare Ribs, and Bacon, but no more, and they like it all, anyway. I think I did see as many cows as pigs, so why Pork? Michael Dabrowski Very good observation! I see three reasons 1. The consumption of beef dropped in Poland abruptly and never came back to previous levels after BSE (Bovine spongiform encephalopathy) hit Europe. 2. If I am not wrong in the USA beef is considered as the food of the rich and Americans love to demonstrate their economical status even more than Poles do ;D ;D ;D. In Poland beef is not considered any more 'better' than pork 3. The most important ;D ;D ;D Pork is tastier? |
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Post by justjohn on Feb 4, 2008 3:42:32 GMT -7
To all, I love Fish, and all around me, are Beef eaters, but I find when in Poland, most all love Pork, Pig, Why is this? I can take Ham, and Spare Ribs, and Bacon, but no more, and they like it all, anyway. I think I did see as many cows as pigs, so why Pork? Michael Dabrowski You forgot to mention a great pork recipe of 'crown roast'. You take a rib roast of about 12 ribs or combine more and tie into a circle with the bone up. In the center of this circle you place a nice stuffing and roast this baby until you can't stand it anymore. Serve this with mashed potatoes, green bean casserole, a nice squash and pork gravy, home made apple crisp - - - ummm, ummmm, ummm - good!!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Pawian on Feb 4, 2008 7:14:16 GMT -7
Very good bservation! I see three reasons 1. The consumption of beef dropped in Poland abruptly and never came back to previous levels after BSE (Bovine spongiform encephalopathy) hit Europe. 2. If I am not wrong in the USA beef is considered as the food of the rich and Americans love to demonstrate their economical status even more than Poles do ;D ;D ;D. In Poland beef is not considered any more 'better' than pork 3. The most important ;D ;D ;D Pork is tastier? Well, it`s a matter of taste. Polish beef produced from old rheumatic cows usually wasn`t better than pork, that`s why the tradition of beef eating in Poland didn`t develop like in the USA or even in Western Europe. Moreover, cows need a lot of grass and hay, while pigs eat everything and put on weight easily. That has always suited Polish peasants. |
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Post by livia on Feb 4, 2008 8:49:04 GMT -7
Polish beef produced from old rheumatic cows So even the cows are not okey in Poland!!! O mój dobry Boże!  ;D ;D ;D Here's a portriat of a Polish rheumatic cow of the most popular milk and meat race. It used to be called 'Polish red and white', but from now 'Polish rheumatic' name should be used.....  |
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Post by Pawian on Feb 4, 2008 9:54:14 GMT -7
Polish beef produced from old rheumatic cows So even the cows are not okey in Poland!!! O mój dobry Boże! ;D ;D ;D Here's a portriat of a Polish rheumatic cow of the most popular milk and meat race. It used to be called 'Polish red and white', but from now 'Polish rheumatic' name should be used..... Dear Livio, You constantly tend to forget that I am an expert on on a lot of things. Let me teach you about Polish cows. Those grown in Poland are expected by Poles to give both milk and meat. Thus they are too universal, which is their shortcoming because they give neither a lot of milk, neither good meat. In the West they grow cows which specialise in one staple. Milk cows give milk, a lot of it, twice as much as Polish cows. Meat cows give meat. Good, tasty, soft, melting on your tongue. The one that Polish cows can only dream of. I know it because I am crazily interested in Polish meat market. It is my hobby and I have a scrap book full of fascinating articles and stories. Huh!!! |
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Post by livia on Feb 4, 2008 10:23:33 GMT -7
Whom do we have next here?? Ah, student Pawian. The sweet forger! Well let's see how he has done...
well, he disappoints me really, clever but lazy kind
ok, here we go
Student Pawian. 1 point. Negative.
I am busy at the moment, you'll have to catch me later for repeat exam
Cows in Poland are expected to give either
1. milk or
2. milk and meat or
3. meat only.
You were right however that the meat race is the least popular in Poland. That is why you are provided with the last chance repeat exam.
But remember, the number of cows in each group has nothing to do with the 'rheumatism'.
Huh, huh!!
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Post by Pawian on Feb 4, 2008 11:05:37 GMT -7
Whom do we have next here?? Ah, student Pawian. The sweet forger! Well let's see how he has done.. well, he disappoints me really, clever but lazy kind Lazy?  Repeat exam??? Wery vell, Ma`m! Analysis of genetic structure in Polish Red and Polish black-and-White cattle using twelve marker loci potentially related to milk or meat production traits.
Polish Red (PR) is the native Polish cattle breed included in the FAO National Rare Livestock Breeds Preservation Programme. The breed is characterized by high vitality and fertility, calving ease, resistance to diseases, and low requirements for feed. Milk yield is low, but fat and protein contents of milk are high. The frequencies of alleles of commonly studied loci as well as the presence of new or rarely reported DNA polymorphisms were studied in a group of about 300 PR cows belonging to 2 subpopulations. Moreover, gene frequencies were compared between the 2 PR subpopulations, and with a reference population of the Black-and-White (BW) cattle. The investigation was intended to determine the genetic specificity of PR and provide new arguments for its protection. Except for Pit1 and GH-MspI loci, the allele frequencies of CSN3, LGB, GH-AluI, GHRH, LEP and PRL genes in PR were different from those in BW cattle. Although the estimated genetic distance between PR and BW populations appeared very short (0.0146, R=0.986), variants of several genes identified in PR were found absent or very rare in BW cattle. These included the LGBI variant, 11-bp deletion in MSTN gene, as well as several unique nucleotide sequence variants of 5′-noncoding regions of CSN1S1, CSN1S2, GH and PRL genes. At CSN3, LGB, IGF1 and GH-AluI loci, significant differences between the 2 PR subpopulations were observed.In case it is too difficult, I am providing a less complicated dissertation: Overview of milk sector in Poland
Poland is largest milk producer among countries that joined the EU in 2004. It has considerably more milk cows than its immediate neighbours. In fact, Poland’s 2.8 million cows comprise 11.6% of all the cows in the European Union. Yet their milking abilities are rather low: on average, a Polish cow produces less milk than an Estonian, German or Czech cow. |
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Post by livia on Feb 4, 2008 11:20:54 GMT -7
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Don't spoil your last chance! You've elaborated milk quotas, that is not the subject! Besides even so - you have failed to provide
data on the methods used.
If that is too difficult -
- you failed to name wether polimorphism was determined by the multilocus sequencing study which was able to assess both the patterns of polymorphism and the races divergence. So your data are useless. You may sit down! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Pawian on Feb 4, 2008 11:37:04 GMT -7
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Don't spoil your last chance! You've elaborated milk quotas, that is not the subject! Besides even so - you have failed to provide data on the methods used. If that is too difficult - No, it isn`t. Here are the methods. The best results are achieved when men do it. They know how to handle such stuff!  Some guys are so fascinated that they even buy special inflatable cows to handle them at home!  There are different types, red, white, black....  Girls can try but the results are never the same as men`s.  |
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Post by justjohn on Feb 5, 2008 13:54:34 GMT -7
Polish beef produced from old rheumatic cows So even the cows are not okey in Poland!!! O mój dobry Boże! ;D ;D ;D Here's a portriat of a Polish rheumatic cow of the most popular milk and meat race. It used to be called 'Polish red and white', but from now 'Polish rheumatic' name should be used..... Cows up the road from us.    |
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