Geography now - Netherlands - what do you think?

[Jaga]

This guy made a series of many videos about countries around the world. Majority of epizodes are well done, although he might not have an opportunity to travel there. He is doing a good research and takes into consideration comments from people who live there.
Please, watch and tell us what you think - what he did good, what he missed



Geography Now! NETHERLANDS

[pieter]

It is a good documentary, but they fail to mention the large group of Moroccans next to the Turks. Our Muslim community exists of Turks, Moroccans, Indonesians, Surinamese muslims, Bosnian people, Black African Muslims and converted Muslims. Islam in the Netherlands is followed by 5% of the Dutch population of mainly Turkish and Moroccan descent. There are 391,088 Moroccans in the Netherlands (2017) and that is about 2.2% of the Dutch population. Ethnic Turks living in the Netherlands make up 2.5% of the population. A CBS estimate states that about 400,367a (2017) Turkish people live in the Netherlands while ther estimates: 400,000–500,000.

[karl]

Jaga

This was very well presented and filled with information as to be educational. It was both fun to watch, and educational to listion.

Thank you for presenting.

Karl

[pieter]

This video is also excellent. Just like Jaga's video. Both are very informative.


Roundabouts are a typical Dutch phenomenon


This video shows well the Dutch country experience how for instance I see it as a Dutchman

[pieter]

This nice women explains the Dutch mentality well. She is a typical Dutch woman herself.

I am curious, do you recognise some Danish or Northern-German characteristics in this explenation of the Dutch, or are the Lutheran and secular liberal Danes and Northern-Germans different than the Dutch people. The Danes look the same than Dutch people, long, blond, blue eyes, and a mix of majority blond with brunette, readhead and black hair people with brown, green and black eyes too. Ofcourse due to the Spanish Habsburg occupation, relationships between Dutch and Spanish people and unfortunately (like in every worse) rapes, there are dark Dutch people with Spanish roots.

Sephardic jews

Next to the people of Spanish Roman-Catholic heritage you had and have the Sephardic Portuguese jews who had been expelled or were forced to convert to Catholicism in the late 15th century in Portugal. The newly independent and tolerant Dutch provinces provided more favorable conditions for observant Jews to establish a community, and practice their religion openly. They migrated most notably to Amsterdam. As they became established, they collectively brought new trading expertise and connections to the city. Most importantly, they also brought navigation knowledge from Portugal, which enabled the Netherlands to start competing for the Iberian overseas colonies.

Huguenots

Some Huguenots fought in the Low Countries alongside the Dutch against Spain during the first years of the Dutch Revolt (1568–1609). The Dutch Republic rapidly became a destination for Huguenot exiles. Early ties were already visible in the "Apologie" of William the Silent, condemning the Spanish Inquisition, which was written by his court minister, the Huguenot Pierre L'Oyseleur, lord of Villiers. Louise de Coligny, daughter of the murdered Huguenot leader Gaspard de Coligny, married William the Silent, leader of the Dutch (Calvinist) revolt against Spanish (Catholic) rule. As both spoke French in daily life, their court church in the Prinsenhof in Delft held services in French. The practice has continued to the present day. The Prinsenhof is one of the 14 active Walloon churches of the Dutch Reformed Church (now of the Protestant Church in the Netherlands). The ties between Huguenots and the Dutch Republic's military and political leadership, the House of Orange-Nassau, which existed since the early days of the Dutch Revolt, helped support the many early settlements of Huguenots in the Dutch Republic's colonies. They settled at the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa and New Netherland in North America.

Ashkenazim

Many German Jews were also attracted later to the tolerant and independent Dutch provinces, generally after the mid-17th century. Unlike the more acculturated Iberian Jews, most of these were displaced residents of Jewish ghettos escaping persecution. In addition they were displaced by the violence of the Thirty Year War (1618–1648) in other parts of northern Europe, and local expulsions, as well as the 1648 Chmielnicki Uprising in Poland. These poor immigrants were less welcomed. Their arrival in considerable number threatened the economic status of Amsterdam in particular, and with few exceptions they were turned away. They generally settled in rural areas, where they subsisted typically as peddlers and hawkers. Many smaller Jewish communities were started throughout the Dutch provinces.

Over time, many German Jews gained prosperity through retail trading and they became specialists in diamond-cutting and sales. They had a monopoly in the latter trade until about 1870. When William IV was proclaimed stadholder (1747), the Jews found another protector. He had close relations with the head of the DePinto family, at whose villa, Tulpenburg, near Ouderkerk, he and his wife paid more than one visit. In 1748, when a French army was at the frontier and the treasury was empty, De Pinto collected a large sum and presented it to the state. Van Hogendorp, the secretary of state, wrote to him: "You have saved the state." In 1750 De Pinto arranged for the conversion of the national debt from a 4 to a 3% basis.

Under the government of William V, the country was troubled by internal dissensions. But the Jews remained loyal to him. As he entered the legislature on the day of his majority, 8 March 1766, in the synagogues services of thanks-giving were held. William V visited both the German and the Portuguese synagogues on 3 June 1768. He also attended the marriages of offspring of various prominent Jewish families.

Jerusalem of the West

The Netherlands, and Amsterdam in particular, remained a major Jewish population centre until World War II. Amsterdam was known as Jerusalem of the West by its Jewish residents. The epithet signalled that the Jews felt comfortable in the city. In the late 19th and early 20th century, the community grew as Jews from the mediene (the "country" Jews), migrated to larger cities to seek better jobs and living conditions. Prior to the Holocaust, there were about 80,000 Jews living in Amsterdam.


In read this book Jerusalem of the West by the Dutch jewish author Siegfried van Praag.

Indo-European, Indo people

About 1.500,000 of the 17,302,139 Dutch people is Indo, about 8,7 percent of the Dutch population is of Indo descent. The Indo people or Indos are Eurasian people living in or connected with Indonesia. In its narrowest sense, the term refers to people in the former Dutch East Indies who held European legal status but who were of mixed descent, that are descendants of various indigenous peoples of Indonesia and Dutch settlers. In the broadest sense, an Indo is anyone of mixed European and Indonesian descent. Indos are associated with colonial culture of the former Dutch East Indies, a Dutch colony in Southeast Asia and a predecessor to modern Indonesia after its proclamation of independence shortly after World War II. The term was used to describe people acknowledged to be of mixed Dutch and Indonesian descent, or it was a term used in the Dutch East Indies to apply to Europeans who had partial Asian ancestry. The European ancestry of these people was predominantly Dutch, but also included Portuguese, British, French, Belgian, German, and others.

Over 10% of the "Indo-Europeans" took Indonesian citizenship after Indonesian independence. Most retained full Dutch citizenship after the transfer of sovereignty to Indonesia in 1949.

In 1949, 300,000 Eurasians who had been socialized into many Dutch customs were repatriated. The Dutch established a repatriation program which lasted until 1967. Over a 15-year period after the Republic of Indonesia became an independent state, virtually the entire Dutch population, Indische Nederlanders (Dutch Indonesians), estimated at between 250,000 and 300,000, left the former Dutch East Indies.

Most of them moved to the Netherlands. Many had never been there before. Some of them went to Australia, the United States or Canada. 18.5% departed for the United States. In 1959, Dutch people who did not embrace Indonesian citizenship were expelled.[5] An estimated 60,000 immigrated to the United States in the 1960s.

Indos in the Netherlands are not considered an ethnic minority, and most of them are of mixed European-Indonesian origin bearing European family names.


Young Indo couple in love

In 1990, the Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) registered the number of first-generation Indos living in the Netherlands at around 180,000 people. In 2001 official registration, including the second generation, accumulate their numbers to around half a million. Based on this the estimations, which include the third generation descendants, reach up to at least 800,000 people. However researcher Dr. Peter Post of the NIOD estimates 1.5 to 2 million people with Indo blood living in the Netherlands. The Indo Dutch living abroad were not included. That makes them by far the largest minority community in the Netherlands.

I (Pieter) had several Indo girls in my higschool class, Lucia, Patricia, Naomi and Tabitha, they were very nice and beautiful girls. I love Indo people, they are hard working people, social people, hospitable, and have great food and always make music and like to sing at any occasion. Their music is very close to Hawai music and they love American rock 'n roll and rock music. the Indo rock music style was inspired by American Rhythm 'n Blues and Rock 'n Roll.



Dutch Indo rock bands were very popular in the Netherlands and Germany in the late fifties and sixties.



These images are just wonderful. A VPRO Production

The VPRO (originally an acronym for Vrijzinnig Protestantse Radio Omroep, or "Liberal Protestant Radio Broadcasting Corporation") was established in the Netherlands in 1926 as a religious broadcasting organization. Falling under the Protestant pillar, it represented the Liberal Protestant current. However, in the 1950s and 1960s it became more (social) liberal than Protestant, and while the acronym VPRO was kept, its meaning was dropped. It was the first to show a nude woman on Dutch television, Phil Bloom in 1967, in the Wim T. Schippers show Hoepla. The VPRO is known for producing and broadcasting quality (and sometimes avant-garde) programmes, documentaries and films, the target audience of the VPRO is highly educated and creative people (e.g. artists, designers, scientists).

An important part of Dutch history. How the Netherlands became a Protestant, Calvinist nation

[pieter]

Dutch Indo rockers




The Musicians Eddie Van Halen and Alex Van Halen are notable people whose families came from the Dutch East Indies.


The Blue Diamonds were a Dutch 1960s rock and roll duo, best known for their million-selling chart-topping single, "Ramona". Indo (Dutch-Indonesian) brothers Ruud de Wolff (12 May 1941 – 18 December 2000) and Riem de Wolff (15 April 1943 – 12 September 2017) founded the group shortly after immigrating to Driebergen-Rijsenburg in the Netherlands in 1949. They were born in Batavia (now Jakarta), Indonesia.

Called the 'Dutch Everly Brothers', The Blue Diamonds covered many Everly Brothers songs, but became famous in 1960 with their version of "Ramona", a song originally written for the 1928 film, Ramona. The song was written for promotional appearances with Dolores del Río (star of the film) but not featured in the film itself. The Blue Diamonds up-tempo version of it reached the American Billboard Hot 100 at number 72 in 1960. It sold over 250,000 copies in the Netherlands (the first record to ever do so) and over one million copies in Germany by 1961.

[karl]

Pieter

Whilst viewing through this presentation of The Netherlands, it is so apparent of the primary difference between the people and Danes is language. With this I should also be includant of North West German area of:Cuxhaven/ Aurich and not to forget Hamburg and Schleswig area. Of course in of Danmark. These as our selves are of the North Sea.

wordcounter.net/blog/2016/08/05/102105_danish-versus-dutch.html





Karl

[pieter]

But the Indo band I love the most during the eighties was Loïs Lane, because of the 2 beautiful sisters. Loïs Lane is a Dutch girl group consisting of the sisters Suzanne and Monique Klemann. The group is known in the United States as Lois L, because the group was named after Lois Lane, the girlfriend of Superman. Also some brothers of Suzanne and Monique played in the band.







Part of the Indo culture is singing, making music and preparing great food. If you have the chance to eat Indonesian in the USA or elsewhere, please do. In the same time Indo people feel more Dutch than Dutch and are very patriotic people due to their difficult past in the Dutch Indies and Indonesia. They are descendants of Dutch colonial troops, the KNIL and colonial civil servants in the Dutch East Indies. Most Dutch people today don't distinguish between Indo people and native Dutch people. There are a lot of relationships between native Dutch people and Indo people, because Dutch boys always liked Indo girls and Dutch girls like Indo boys and ofcourse Indo boys like Dutch girls and Indo girls like Dutch boys. Probably this will remind John, Kaima, Jeanne and Jaga of mixed Amderican-Vietnamese people in the USA, and mixed Chinese-American, Japanese-American and Korean-American people, who will look quite similar to our Dutch Indo's.

[pieter]

The Netherlands today is very different than the Netherlands of a few centuries ago, the 19th century, the early 20th century and even the Second half of the 20th century. It is much more international oriented and internet has opened the world to the Dutch people. The American, British, Australian, Canadian and New Zealandish influences are much stonger today with Netflix, HBO series, DVD's, Dutch people who travel to these countries and the fact that Dutch people are very bilingual (Dutch/English). Unfortunately less Dutch people speak French and German than in the past. That is the result of Globalization which is mainly a phenomenon which is accompanies with the use of the English language. Next to that the influence of Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, Turkish and Arabic is growing in the Dutch society. There are a lot of Expats from other European countries, the USA and Canada in the Netherlands today next to many people with af refugee and migrant background.

[pieter]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people
About 372,720 (2013) Germans live, study and work in the Netherlands. They are one of the largest foreign groups but invisible, because they often look like Dutch, drive in Dutch cars and often learned the Dutch language quite well. In my humble opinion Dutch spoken with a slight German accent is quite charming and sophisticated.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_the_Netherlands
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan-Dutch
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinamese_people
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands
www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/the-netherlands/interesting-fun-facts-about-dutch-netherlands

123,787 Bosnians live in the Netherlands. Since they are Muslim they are quite close to the Turkish community in the Netherlands. Turkish-Bosnian relationships are quite common. Both people are Sunni Muslims.

the Polish diaspora in the Benelux


Polish business women in the Netherlands

Polish immigration to the Netherlands has steadily increased since Poland was admitted to the EU, and now, an estimated 135,000 Polish people live in the country. Most of them are guest workers from the European Union contract labour program, as more Poles obtain have light industrial jobs. The number of Polish nationals could double in the next decade, depending on economic conditions in Poland. Most Poles in the Netherlands are in The Hague (30,000), but Polish émigrés have been long settled in Amsterdam and industrial towns or cities like Utrecht and Groningen. Polish immigrants arrived to find employment in the country in the 19th and the 20th centuries. Belgium has 70,000 Poles, but the number of Belgians of Polish descent could be as high as 200,000). Luxembourg had almost 3,000.


Dutch provinces as European countries by population

[Jaga]

Pieter, Karl,

yes, I agree that this guy did not list everything about the minorities, but he usually receives enough feedback and then improves on it. He did not travel everywhere, he is just trying to bring the best picture of the country.

Some of my Polish friends also got married or live in the Benelux. Dutch people seem to be openminded to Eastern Europeans, they always had a global perspective

here is a bit more with some corrections:

[Jaga]

Karl,

good videos about languages and why Danish is so different than Nordic languages. Interesting comparison between German and Dutch. You know it all since you are from these part of Europe.

[pieter]

Minority languages in the Netherlands: Do you speak Lower Saxon? Dutch Low Saxon (Dutch: Nederlands Nedersaksisch; Dutch Low Saxon: Nederlaands Leegsaksies) are the Low Saxon dialects that are spoken in the northeastern Netherlands and are written there with local, unstandardised orthographies based on Standard Dutch orthography. The UNESCO Atlas of endangered languages lists the language as vulnerable. Between 1995 and 2011 the numbers of speakers of parents dropped from 34% in 1995 to 15% in 2011. Numbers of speakers of their children dropped in the same period from 8% to 2%. Uncategorized January 30, 2012 In the Netherlands language is not a bone of contention as in many other countries. But what languages are spoken are worth protecting. The Volkskrant interviewed former VVD politician Marieke Sanders-ten Holte, member of the Advice committee on European regional languages. In the Netherlands Frisian, Limburgish, Lower Saxon, Yiddish and the Sinti/Roma languages are spoken. The European charter of regional and minority languages, which the Netherlands ratified, has given them protected status. Every three to four years the committee checks up on the health of the protected languages of Europe, Sanders-ten Holte tells the paper. The committee can pick up on circumstances in which minority languages might be under threat but does not have the power to sanction governments in case of neglect.

Frisian


Map of the Frisian languages in Europe

A recent threat identified by the committee is the new Media act. The position of regional television and radio stations will change, including those broadcasting in Frisian, the Netherlands second official language. ‘We are afraid that the freedom to broadcast in the regional language will be restricted’, Sanders-ten Holte explains, and Frisian is under pressure as it is. The justice system is being reformed. At the moment all procedures can be conducted in Frisian but in future cases may be transferred to Groningen, for instance cases involving family law. And what better way to express yourself, especially where sensitive matters are concerned, than in your own language? The court in Groningen doesn’t permit Frisian being spoken.’

Recognition

Some languages are more equal than others. Frisian is the only language of the five which has a ‘high protection level’. With the other four it is a matter of recognition more than anything else, Sanders-ten Holte says. And yes, different variations of Lower Saxon are spoken in the Netherlands, in Drenthe, Groningen and parts of Overijssel, all of them to be respected and cherished, she says, ‘as the key to the past and part of people’s identity.’ Although language is not a political hot potato in the Netherlands, some provinces, like Zeeland, complain about being ignored by the charter.

Dialect

‘Limburgish is considered a regional language while Zeeuws (Zeelandish) is seen as a dialect. And that doesn’t come with its own protection which costs money’, Sanders-ten Holte explains. ‘In Limburg people can do a spelling course in their language, for instance and Drenthe has its own dictionary, all initiatives backed by the charter.’ Yiddish and the Roma and Sinti languages are a case apart. These are not languages spoken in a specific region. The Netherlands has only a handful of Yiddish speakers left although many Yiddish words have crept into the Dutch language.

Roma

There are 7,000 Romani speaking gypsies in the Netherlands and the Netherlands should contribute to the European policy on the protection of their language, Sanders-ten Holte tells the paper. ‘The problem there is that the Netherlands hasn’t entered the Roma as an official minority in the European minority charters. The problem with the Sinti language is that it is not a written language, the Sinti culture forbids it. It’s difficult to keep the language alive because people are not living in one place. The charter’s importance lies in encouraging the authorities to enter into a dialogue with people who speak minority languages’.

[pieter]

Mar 2, 2019 12:41:11 GMT -7 karl said:

Pieter

Whilst viewing through this presentation of The Netherlands, it is so apparent of the primary difference between the people and Danes is language. With this I should also be includant of North West German area of:Cuxhaven/ Aurich and not to forget Hamburg and Schleswig area. Of course in of Danmark. These as our selves are of the North Sea.

wordcounter.net/blog/2016/08/05/102105_danish-versus-dutch.html





Karl

These are very good, excellent video's Karl. He has more good video's:







Cheers,
Pieter

[karl]

Mar 3, 2019 23:55:51 GMT -7 Jaga said:

Karl,

good videos about languages and why Danish is so different than Nordic languages. Interesting comparison between German and Dutch. You know it all since you are from these part of Europe.

Jaga

I do thank you very much for your kind words, I must though also admit as not being a know it all. For with my writings, I usually will have another proof read them first before submitting them as finished reports.

The primary issue I find with English, is spelling, even here, it is necessary to recheck upon the computer a correct spelling after observing one of those nasty red lines through a misspelled word.

Karl