Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jun 19, 2019 8:23:06 GMT -7
I don't know but, I am just siting here and speculating that:
In 1683 at Vienna, a Christian relief force led by John III Sobieski, King of Poland, repulsed the army of Mehmed IV, saving Western Europe from seemingly inevitable Muslim conquest.
And - - - -
The Battle of Warsaw refers to the decisive Polish victory in 1920 during the Polish–Soviet War. Poland, on the verge of total defeat, repulsed and defeated the Red Army.
The British diplomat Edgar Vincent regards this event as one of the most important battles in history on his expanded list of most decisive battles, since the Polish victory over the Soviets stopped the spread of communism to Europe.
Is it just purely coincidental or is it more that Poland has twice saved Europe from itself and radical ideologies that enslave people.
Must we just speculate on Europe or can we surmise that once Europe would have been gone so would most of the world. Just thinking and getting out my bottle of Polish vodka called Sobieski.
Hmmmmm - - - -
I no longer listen to what people say, I just watch what they do. Behavior never lies. Winston Churchill
“That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach.” Aldous Huxley
yes, both are really great events to remember. I am glad that Turkey did not conquer the central Europe, the cultural progress would be slowed. I am not sure people understand that some of the anti-islamic feelings in Hungary or Bulgaria are due to the difficult history there.
I do know about the Ottoman Turkish occupation and influence in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Macedonia, Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina and probably other parts of Europe too. I do know that the resentment against Turks still live in these christian countries, but not in the Muslim area's or countries who exist due to the influence of that Ottoman empire, like the Bulgarian Turks in Bulgaria and Bosnia Herzegovina and the Muslim area's in Serbia.
You wrote you met a Turkish guy in Idaho who was critical about the Authoritarian regime of president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, which your Idaho Turk called a dictatorship.
Karl should know more about Turkish population in Germany. I have heard a lot about them but never had any personal link to any person of Turkish origin there. I met a very nice Turkish guy here in Idaho Falls, who was against the current dictatorship before even I knew how bad it is. What is your take of Turks in Netherlands? Are they different than the newcomers from Arab countries, a bit more progressive? I remember that you wrote about it in the past, but I don't recall the details.
I accidently changed this text, because I thought that I quoted you, but in staid wrote in your original text. Excuse me, I am sorry for that. Hope this repair attempt resembles your original post.
Tunahan Kuzu (born 5 June 1981) is a Turkish-born Dutch politician. He is a former member of the Labour Party (PvdA). He has been an MP since 20 September 2012. On 13 November 2014 Kuzu and Selçuk Öztürk left the Labour Party and formed the Group Kuzu/Öztürk, later renamed Denk ("Think"). On 18 November 2014, he became Parliamentary group leader. In the 2017 Dutch general election, the party secured three seats in the House of Representatives.
Kuzu grew up in Maassluis and studied public administration at Erasmus University Rotterdam. He worked as a health care advisor for PricewaterhouseCoopers, and was also a member of the municipal council of Rotterdam from 2008 to 2012.
Kuzu attracted international attention in September 2016 when he refused to shake the hand of Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu before a meeting at the States General of the Netherlands. In a statement posted to Facebook Kuzu explained his action as a protest against human rights abuses committed against Palestinian civilians in the Palestinian territories.