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Post by pieter on Dec 1, 2019 6:17:42 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Dec 1, 2019 6:20:32 GMT -7
Sinterklaas inspired Dutch movie makers
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Post by pieter on Dec 1, 2019 6:21:21 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Dec 1, 2019 6:28:32 GMT -7
2006
Today such movie shouldn't be made anymore. The political climate totally changed.
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Post by Jaga on Dec 1, 2019 14:28:26 GMT -7
Pieter,
I was thinking about the Sinterclass more and more since your posts in the past and I agree. In the present world we look at things so much differently and some of these stereotypes do not fit anymore. Still, it is good to remember the culture which is getting lost
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Post by karl on Dec 1, 2019 17:38:21 GMT -7
Pieter
Although it would appear as of my self as swimming against the currant with my own personal opinion with Sinterklaas, and with this,places my self as a member of old ideas and old Europe that needs be disappear as being out of phase with today.
Non the less, I must speak my peace, and my peace is this: There are too many sensitivities today that wish only to push their self made problems and issues against what their little self made ideas have conjectured.
Sinterklaas of Christmas is for the children to enjoy, it symbolizes for them the joy of the season. In as much to the video, I like the boat and it is a shame it was to sink, and as with this, the crises of getting the gifts in time for the children.
If the few are so small they must try to puff them selves up to look tall, then so be it, but let the Children enjoy what they may of the season..
Karl
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Post by pieter on Dec 2, 2019 6:34:41 GMT -7
Jaga & Karl,
I understand you both and the black and coloured people who are against it, and the white, black and coloured people who are Pro-Black Pete in the Sinterklaas celebration. I do believe, since I studied history, that traditions, customs can change, but that needs time. Today the Netherlands is very polarized on the issue and in many places, villages, towns and cities Sinterklaas still arrives with his Black Pete's and in other cities the Pete's have changed in white faces with grey lines (symolising the cimney's through which the Petes (Pieten) deliver the presents to the children and where the children pot water and carrots for the white horse of Sinter Klaas.   The Old style black Pete on the left and the new style Pete with grey dust on the right.Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Dec 2, 2019 6:41:02 GMT -7
 Children do not want Zwarte Piet to changeNovember 12, 2016 Anti Black Face Zwarte Piet activists. The black man on the right carries a sign: "My skin and hair are no costume".Most children in the Netherlands would be sorry if Zwarte Piet changed. This is the conclusion of a study by the NOS Jeugdjournaal (NOS Youth journal). We asked 900 children between 9 and 13 years what they think of Zwarte Piet.
87% of the children agree with the statement 'I would be sorry if Zwarte Piet changed'.Discussion For a few years there has been a lot of debate about Zwarte Piet. Opponents find his appearance discriminatory; it reminds them of the time of slavery. And so his appearance must change, they say. Proponents believe that Zwarte Piet belongs to the tradition of the Sinterklaas party, and that he should therefore remain black.Quarrel We love Black Pete, who doesn't?9 out of 10 children say that they are not happy with the way in which Sinterklaas' help is discussed. They think the fight is ruining the Sinterklaas party. The same number of children think that there is too little listening to the opinion of children about Zwarte Piet. |
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Post by pieter on Dec 2, 2019 7:05:39 GMT -7
The nasty thing is that this pollarisation gives hardcore soccer Hooligans and far right political parties to act as Pro-Black Pete activists.
In this video you see that a minority of anti-Black Pete activists is protected by a cordon of police and that finally the violent mob of Eindhoven PSV attacks these activists.
Next to racism they start shouting 'Jews destroyed, jews destroyed', 'Cancer jews', and 'Gays' to insult the police and the anti-Black Pete activists. These anti-Jewish, anti-semitic slogans are common place in and around Dutch soccer stadiums and in the cities and towns were these Hooligans walk around. They often shout 'Hamas Hamas, jews to the gas'. That is very normal in the Netherlands today. Of course Dutch jews aren't very pleased about it, but they are just a tiny minority so they can't do much about that. I am irritated about it too. And don't like the soccer culture because of the racism and anti-semitism in it. Most fans, soccer players and soccer enthousiasts are normal and decent people, but the minority of thugs makes soccer matches nasty sometimes. This of course is not only a Dutch problem, but a problem in many Soccer countries in Europe, Africa, the Middle east and Southern-America where hooliganism takes place.
Also in Groningen tensions between anti-Black Pete and Pro-Black Pete activists. The latter were mainly members of the hard core of FC Groningen soccer Hooligan people and Pro-Black Pete citizens. The angry woman that threw egs, because she wanted to keep 'Black Pete'. People become extremely emotional about this issue. Traditions are hard to change.
The same demo in Groningen
I think it no more fun and scary for parents to go to these celebrations with little children, due to these aggressive protests which can become violent.
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Post by pieter on Dec 2, 2019 8:17:32 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Dec 2, 2019 8:24:59 GMT -7
For the far right, Peoples Nationalist, Dutch Peoples Union (NVU) the Dutch Black Pete tradition is importantThis party erased all Neo-Nazi, Neo-fascist and white power symbolism from the past and tries to be a Dutch Nationalist, Peoples nationalist, Patriotic and rightwing party with some social (or socialist) elements. It is a fringe party if you compare them to the large rightwing populist PVV and Forum for Democracy parties. But in it's core the NVU is still a Neo-Nazi party. It's leader Constant Kusters lives in Arnhem in the Geitenkamp neighbourhood. He gave his children old Germanic names. All three are Pro-Black Pete of course, like many rightwing Populists, leftwing populists and more moderate traditional conservative parties, organisations and movements.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Peoples-Union / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_Kusters
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