john
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Post by john on Sept 12, 2007 0:46:16 GMT -7
Hi from a new member in Australia. I have no connection with your country, but am very interested in ancient Europe, Scythians and Celts. My question is about the word "bram" and possible evidence of Scythian culture, as Persian bramaniya means "reverently" and Sanskrit bramanya is "religiously". Old Swedish bram is "nation state", and brama means "resplendent", as in palsbram "king's robe with fur-trimming ". In the Baltic, bram is "ship top-gallant mast" for state and admirals' flags, and Persian flags had trimming and jewels sewn in. Saxon breme means "high. noble" and describes God.
So could you tell me if Polish "bram" has a further sense than "high crane. goal-post" ? Could it be used to describe
the Svantovit statue?
thanks
John
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Post by Jaga on Sept 12, 2007 15:55:20 GMT -7
it is so interesting! I remember the reseracher of Basque culture to come to out forum and look for similarity between Basque and Polish language.
BRAMA - means exactly a door or a big door. BRAMKA is a goal-post.
Frankly, I am not familiar whether in Russian language they have the equivalent of "brama". So, if it would be strictly Polish word it could come from Persia. There are some Persian and Turkish words in Polish dictionary. I have heard that the word "Pantalyk" comes from Turkish language
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Post by Jaga on Sept 12, 2007 15:56:41 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Sept 12, 2007 16:14:15 GMT -7
I looked at the Small Polish Dictionary of Words but they do not list any specific origin of the word BRAMA. So, that means that this is a Polish word? I found information that Polish word "brama" was also used in Lithuanian language, so Lithuanians "borrowed" this word from Poland.
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Post by bescheid on Sept 12, 2007 19:51:19 GMT -7
John
I would at this moment, enjoy to wish upon you a very heartful welcom!!! I understand your primary interest is in research with your topic concerning Poland.
I am not Polish so will be of no help for you in your fine quest. But, I may though, offer a few comments, perhaps pleasant,perhaps not so.
I was first confused by your use of {Bram} the realized you have misspelt it. The correct spelling is {Bräm}. Little pieces of nothing, I realize.
I grew up as a little fellow in Dänemark and some points of your post information was interesting. For the mention of Dragen {Drache} flag. This is the Saxon banner flown upon their lead viking ship. It signafies a Saxon ship. If the viking banner were to be of a {Raven}, then this identifies the Dragon {Drache} as of Dänemark raider ship.
The {top sail} in modern Dänisch, is {topsejl}. There was, untill destroyed, including the building, a Svantevit of approximatly 10 meters in heigth was contained withen this building untill detroyed by The Dänisch king {Valdemar} of year {1169}{please do not direct quate me on that date, for this is out of memory for speed of post}. The Svantovit was an uggly bugger and was the focal point of a vast number of sacrifices {as were most of those things used for religious reasons}.
But this has nothing to do with Poland, sorry..
Charles
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john
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Post by john on Sept 13, 2007 4:23:50 GMT -7
Jaga,
Thanks for your reply. I found "bramowanie, bramowac' ", which is like Swedish palsbram (with a umlaut) as "fur trimming" for kings' robes. Suwnica bramowa gives the sense of "high", as in the ancient Saxon form "breme Dryhten" meaning "high, noble God". It was used in England as "bramah" meaning "excellent". This suggests that the word had a religious use, which fits the connection of Scythians with Brahmin religion.
As Polish cavalry used to claim they were linked to Scythian tradition, then possibly Poland had an influence from Brahmin culture. The Svantevit statue has 4 heads, like Brahma god. Probably, the Brahmin teachings were mixed with local European religions. The Polish "bram-" words strengthen the idea.
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Post by john on Sept 13, 2007 4:37:27 GMT -7
Charles,
We hope you are looking after Australia's princess. Thanks for the information on the 10 m. high Svantevit - that is high! It's like a ship top-gallant "bram". A Saxon king in England had a dragon on his helmet : I wonder if Sventovit had a dragon on his head?
The storm-dragon Danu of Brahmins is seen in DNieper, DNiester, DON and DANUbe rivers, which were dragon ancestors of Scythians and Celts. The word is from IE *dona, as in duna /donar/ Thor. Brahma and Danu were on Meru central mountain, which may be in "Merovingian" and "major domes - maire, mairie". Maere temple in Norway may be connected.
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Post by bescheid on Sept 13, 2007 8:16:03 GMT -7
Charles, We hope you are looking after Australia's princess. Thanks for the information on the 10 m. high Svantevit - that is high! It's like a ship top-gallant "bram". A Saxon king in England had a dragon on his helmet : I wonder if Sventovit had a dragon on his head? The storm-dragon Danu of Brahmins is seen in DNieper, DNiester, DON and DANUbe rivers, which were dragon ancestors of Scythians and Celts. The word is from IE *dona, as in duna /donar/ Thor. Brahma and Danu were on Meru central mountain, which may be in "Merovingian" and "major domes - maire, mairie". Maere temple in Norway may be connected. John Not to risk belabouring the subject, but only as an addition to your fine reply. Your Princess is in good stead married into a very fine royal family. The family is over 1 000 years of age, founded by the Viking {King Harald} with the creation of the Kingdom of Dänemark. For there has been an continuous royal family line of 50 kings and 2 Queens. A very strong and popular monarchy. Your Princess Donaldson {Mary} was very fortunate in her fairy tale marriage to Prince {Frederik}. The word on the street is: Queen mother {Margrethe 2nd} become fond of Ms. Donaldson and gave her happy approval of the initial engagement. {{John, now I must say this: I am not a citizen of Dänemark, I lived there during and after the war years as a younger. I am German living currently in the USA on the Pacific NorthWest Coast as thus my time zone difference. I was for a short time in Dänemark whilst returned briefly to work in Bonn. }} Just a short back ground of the currant Monarchy: Queen Margrethe is married to a former French Diplomat-{Count Henri la Laborde de Monpezat} once married, his name was changed to {Prince Henrik}. Prince Frederik, is following a now family tradition of: Choosing a foreign spouse. The younger brother {Joachim, is previously married to former Briton of {Hong-Kong. Continue: Queen Mother Margrethe is a cigarette chain smoker. She is also a very popular role model for of the public. As being so, she has been heavily criticized for her heavy smoking and accused on many public news cast, of giving cause for the increase of smoking amongst the ladies, and as so, the increase of their cancer rate. They {Queen Margrethe and Prince Henrik}have carried their age well. For both together are a very fine couple and well suited. For the Queen still bears her beauty, and the Prince, is still very dashing. {The coffee pot gossip} Charles |
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