Post by pieter on Jun 6, 2020 9:40:01 GMT -7
Dear folks,
There is sometimes an antithesis between the European and American white culture, people, styles, mentality and way of doing things and thus also in the way people experience the attractiveness, sensuality and existence of the other sex. Karl and I were raised by European women, with European (Danish and Dutch) cousins and a sister next to us. A mix of British, French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, Scandinavian and Polish/Russian culture influenced my childhood and teenage years. The extra layer or element that was ad to that was the American cinema, tv series/sitcoms, pop culture, literature, news and products that came our way and that merged with that European culture.
In the European counter youth culture and the culture of subgroups in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties there was an American element. And that element was a mix of European American and African American influences. In the Nazi era the German Swingjugend risked their lives with their exiting 'counter culture', and 'counter movement'.
In the Europe of the late forties, fifties and sixties the European youth went wild on the Bebop ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop ) our liberators, the American army GI's and Marines took with them to Europe and danced on with liberated European girls. Leaving thousands of European girls behind with American, but also Canadian, Australian, Polish, and British fathers. After that came the Rhythm and blues, Rock 'n Roll, Soul music, rock music, disco, American Heavy metal and Rap and Hip Hop music that influenced generations of European youth.
I grew up with my own mix of British and American music and culture. As a teenager the Beasty Boys and Public Enemy entered my life, but before that of course American pop music was in my life since the seventies (Blondy, Donna Summer, Kiss and etc.). After the war generations of American soldiers, expats, immigrants, students, visiting scientists and touring musicians kept changing Western-Europe with their American influence and in my opinion they brought a lot of good things. From Coca Cola to Hollywood, from New York Art House cinema to IBM computers, Windows and Apple, Adobe, the dollars of the Marshall Plan and many European-American joint Ventures, the NATO military cooperation and the intelligence communities security coordination and cooperation.
With that all American girls and women entered Europe to stay there for a short while or stay for decades in the cases of European-American marriages. From the other side all these decades Europeans moved to America and married American wives and became proud Americans. What is the mutual attractiveness between the 2 peoples who have much in common, but in the same time huge contintental differences and cultural and ethnic differences.
The largest difference in my opinion is that under the thick layers of European civilization there lie huge tribal, clan, regional, local, peoples and thus ethnic differences. In contrast with the USA in Europe the people in European countries often live for one thousand year in the same place, you have families over here who go 10 to 15 generations back in the same region. Americans of European ethnicity are often a pan European mix, German, English/Scottish, French, Italian, Polish and Danish. It is often normal to find these 6 European ethnic traces back in an American. My Polish American family from Milwaukee is for instance a mix of Polish, Ukrainian and Italian genes.
I remember that my American cousin came to the Netherlands with a blond blue eyed American female friend from Illinois, I was 17 and she was older, in her early or halfway twenties. My cousin is older than me. I remember that I was wild about this American blonde, but was to young in my age. She was exiting, because she came from 8 thousand km away from the West, she spoke in an American english accent (while I was raised with British english high school education) with that typical heavy American nasal and monotomous sound, and she had an American style and way of speaking and moving. In Europe I have the tic of finding other European blondes (German, Polish, Czech, Belgian, Danish, French and British) attractive, because they are blond, but speak another language or have another accent of Dutch whcih is very charming. (It has probably to do with my family in which the women go abroad and mary foreign men, my mother, my sister, and maybe my cousin too who lives in London)
Where is an American girl or woman different from the European one, why are they atrractive to me, not only in the physical sense, but also in their mental shape and mentality. I have always a kind of feeling of "Yeah" when I hear American in an International train or Airplane. Maybe I have watched to much American series and movies in my youth. There is something like 'Longing for America' and a sense of 'American melancholia' in me. For instance I remember Cybill Shepherd Moonlighting, Faye Dunaway in Bonnie and Clyde (1967), Chinatown (1974) and Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 Weeks (1986). But also African American women, Latin Amerian women and Jewish American women were part of my fascination of American women. Lisa Bonet in Angel Heart, Diana Ross in The Wiz (1978 film), and Halle Berry in the excellent movie Monster's Ball. In 1988 I went to Whitney Houston in the Rotterdam conert Hall Ahoy. Wonder what Karl, Jaga, Jeanne, John and Kai have to say about this.
Now I have lost my youthfool sillyness I can appreciate Duch Blondes, Brunettes and certainly Dutch Redheads like my old time friend Esther. Does that opposite attraction also exists on the American side? Kai the Historian, sociologist, geologicalist, traveller, and experienced man with European and American experience could say something about the differences and similarities between white Euroepans and White Americans. Taking into account that you have African Europeans and African Akericans that are as much European and American as we are. But most of us are people with an European heritage on both sides of the Atlantic, so whats your opinion, experience and feeling. I know that Jeanne experienced Dutch people from Groningen at the North-East coast of the USA. Jaga has her Kraków (European) roots and John may have or may have not visited Europe in his life (but I do know that John appreciates my Esther, and he is right in that. It shows his good taste
) ?
Cheers,
Pieter
There is sometimes an antithesis between the European and American white culture, people, styles, mentality and way of doing things and thus also in the way people experience the attractiveness, sensuality and existence of the other sex. Karl and I were raised by European women, with European (Danish and Dutch) cousins and a sister next to us. A mix of British, French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, Scandinavian and Polish/Russian culture influenced my childhood and teenage years. The extra layer or element that was ad to that was the American cinema, tv series/sitcoms, pop culture, literature, news and products that came our way and that merged with that European culture.
In the European counter youth culture and the culture of subgroups in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties there was an American element. And that element was a mix of European American and African American influences. In the Nazi era the German Swingjugend risked their lives with their exiting 'counter culture', and 'counter movement'.
In the Europe of the late forties, fifties and sixties the European youth went wild on the Bebop ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop ) our liberators, the American army GI's and Marines took with them to Europe and danced on with liberated European girls. Leaving thousands of European girls behind with American, but also Canadian, Australian, Polish, and British fathers. After that came the Rhythm and blues, Rock 'n Roll, Soul music, rock music, disco, American Heavy metal and Rap and Hip Hop music that influenced generations of European youth.
I grew up with my own mix of British and American music and culture. As a teenager the Beasty Boys and Public Enemy entered my life, but before that of course American pop music was in my life since the seventies (Blondy, Donna Summer, Kiss and etc.). After the war generations of American soldiers, expats, immigrants, students, visiting scientists and touring musicians kept changing Western-Europe with their American influence and in my opinion they brought a lot of good things. From Coca Cola to Hollywood, from New York Art House cinema to IBM computers, Windows and Apple, Adobe, the dollars of the Marshall Plan and many European-American joint Ventures, the NATO military cooperation and the intelligence communities security coordination and cooperation.
With that all American girls and women entered Europe to stay there for a short while or stay for decades in the cases of European-American marriages. From the other side all these decades Europeans moved to America and married American wives and became proud Americans. What is the mutual attractiveness between the 2 peoples who have much in common, but in the same time huge contintental differences and cultural and ethnic differences.
The largest difference in my opinion is that under the thick layers of European civilization there lie huge tribal, clan, regional, local, peoples and thus ethnic differences. In contrast with the USA in Europe the people in European countries often live for one thousand year in the same place, you have families over here who go 10 to 15 generations back in the same region. Americans of European ethnicity are often a pan European mix, German, English/Scottish, French, Italian, Polish and Danish. It is often normal to find these 6 European ethnic traces back in an American. My Polish American family from Milwaukee is for instance a mix of Polish, Ukrainian and Italian genes.
I remember that my American cousin came to the Netherlands with a blond blue eyed American female friend from Illinois, I was 17 and she was older, in her early or halfway twenties. My cousin is older than me. I remember that I was wild about this American blonde, but was to young in my age. She was exiting, because she came from 8 thousand km away from the West, she spoke in an American english accent (while I was raised with British english high school education) with that typical heavy American nasal and monotomous sound, and she had an American style and way of speaking and moving. In Europe I have the tic of finding other European blondes (German, Polish, Czech, Belgian, Danish, French and British) attractive, because they are blond, but speak another language or have another accent of Dutch whcih is very charming. (It has probably to do with my family in which the women go abroad and mary foreign men, my mother, my sister, and maybe my cousin too who lives in London)
Where is an American girl or woman different from the European one, why are they atrractive to me, not only in the physical sense, but also in their mental shape and mentality. I have always a kind of feeling of "Yeah" when I hear American in an International train or Airplane. Maybe I have watched to much American series and movies in my youth. There is something like 'Longing for America' and a sense of 'American melancholia' in me. For instance I remember Cybill Shepherd Moonlighting, Faye Dunaway in Bonnie and Clyde (1967), Chinatown (1974) and Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 Weeks (1986). But also African American women, Latin Amerian women and Jewish American women were part of my fascination of American women. Lisa Bonet in Angel Heart, Diana Ross in The Wiz (1978 film), and Halle Berry in the excellent movie Monster's Ball. In 1988 I went to Whitney Houston in the Rotterdam conert Hall Ahoy. Wonder what Karl, Jaga, Jeanne, John and Kai have to say about this.
Now I have lost my youthfool sillyness I can appreciate Duch Blondes, Brunettes and certainly Dutch Redheads like my old time friend Esther. Does that opposite attraction also exists on the American side? Kai the Historian, sociologist, geologicalist, traveller, and experienced man with European and American experience could say something about the differences and similarities between white Euroepans and White Americans. Taking into account that you have African Europeans and African Akericans that are as much European and American as we are. But most of us are people with an European heritage on both sides of the Atlantic, so whats your opinion, experience and feeling. I know that Jeanne experienced Dutch people from Groningen at the North-East coast of the USA. Jaga has her Kraków (European) roots and John may have or may have not visited Europe in his life (but I do know that John appreciates my Esther, and he is right in that. It shows his good taste
) ?Cheers,
Pieter
