Putin hits back as NATO warns Moscow against attacking Ukrai

[JustJohn or JJ]

Europe

Putin hits back as NATO warns Moscow against attacking Ukraine

By Humeyra Pamuk and Sabine Siebold, Robin Emmott, Vladimir Soldatkin

Summary

Western alarm grows at Russian troop build-up

Putin: Moscow wouldn't accept NATO missiles in Ukraine

NATO alliance ministers meet in Latvia

Moscow denies any aggressive intentions

RIGA/MOSCOW, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Russia would pay a high price for any new military aggression against Ukraine, NATO and the United States warned on Tuesday as the Western military alliance met to discuss Moscow's possible motives for massing troops near the Ukrainian border.

President Vladimir Putin countered that Russia would be forced to act if U.S.-led NATO placed missiles in Ukraine that could strike Moscow within minutes.

Ukraine, a former Soviet republic that now aspires to join the European Union and NATO, has become the main flashpoint between Russia and the West as relations have soured to their worst level in the three decades since the Cold War ended.

"There will be a high price to pay for Russia if they once again use force against the independence of the nation Ukraine," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters.

More here:

www.reuters.com/world/europe/with-us-intelligence-nato-discuss-russian-intent-near-ukraine-2021-11-30/?fbclid=IwAR2lAp5qOvxGLU4zpjOxQASk_jgR3ghx63_o0F4dwM7xHs_sXlBBe_-8hA0

[Jaga]

John, Russia is good with counter attacking during winter, so I would be not surprised if they attack Ukraine now. They started the offensive against Germany in January of 1945, and were able to move forward so fast that they liberated Warsaw on January 17 and Krakow a day later.
Soviets were waiting under Warsaw since August, they did not want to enter before the winter sets in, thus Warsaw was almost completely destroyed after the Uprising.

[karl]

Withen the mind set of Western thinking, this situation between Russian and Ukrainian that is festering at this time is a black and white case of Russia as the bad guy and Ukraine as the maid of honour being soiled by the bad wolf. But not so fast.

For if to remember history, Ukraine was once part of Russia and then under Russian protection until some years past, as Russian forces pulled out of Ukraine to let it settle its own differences. This includant the Nuclear weapons that were removed by Russian forces with an exception of one, which was a question of a bad count or simply missing or stolen.

Now at present, is an internal conflict between The Ukraine forces and Russian seporatist no longer wishes in the eastern section of Donetsk and luhansk to be a part of Ukraine but to form their own state. This of course is not part and partial of The Ukrainian thought processes and are taking the situation in hand by military forces which as expected is matched up by military forces manned by the seporatist. It is in this manner of the armed conflict that the US Government has been providing military assistance to The Ukrainian Government with equipment and munitions to continue the armed conflict.

What is occuring rather to be brought out to the public is: Ukraine as the proxy between American expansion of power or that of Russian.

The above is not a defense for Russian intent, for Russia can defend its self for how ever it may.

time.com/74405/exclusive-pro-russian-separatists-eastern-ukraine/


Karl

[Jaga]

Russia concentrated 160 ths troops on the boarder. I wonder whether they want to invade the whole Ukraine?

[Jaga]

Karl,

+++What is occuring rather to be brought out to the public is: Ukraine as the proxy between American expansion of power or that of Russian.++++

Western Ukraine is definitively its own country, Eastern Ukraine is the mix between Russia and the Ukraine. No any country wants to be seen as a proxy or a buffer zone....

[karl]

Dec 4, 2021 11:52:11 GMT -7 Jaga said:

Karl,

+++What is occuring rather to be brought out to the public is: Ukraine as the proxy between American expansion of power or that of Russian.++++

Western Ukraine is definitively its own country, Eastern Ukraine is the mix between Russia and the Ukraine. No any country wants to be seen as a proxy or a buffer zone....

Jaga

Yes, you do carry an excellent point, no country wishes to be a proxy or buffer zone in do so.. For many such years though, this has been the unwritten Russian requirement from the war, is to surround Russia with buffer states to hinder or at least, keep its enemies away from its borders. This which of course sets no so well with those states effected.

For as above, is an aspect of the internal thinking of Mr. Putin, for no matter his age, his thinking is still KGB and as so, with the ability to pull a rabbit out of the hat at the most opportune time. Until that time, it will be interesting as to what his first move will be in the game of created crises.

Karl