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Post by pieter on Feb 21, 2022 16:46:32 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Feb 21, 2022 16:52:50 GMT -7
Nice prototypical Eurasian Indo women. This type of woman is very well appreciated by Duch males next to our Dutch blondes, brunettes and redheads.
Very nice lady and fine cook. It was fun to watch her cook.
Delicious Indonesian rice table. Try it if you are in the Netherlands or Indinesia. Find yourself a Chinees-Indisch restaurant and you probably can order a Rice table, Nasi Rames, Nasi Goreng, pisang goreng, babi pangang, spekkoek, rendang and saté,
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Post by Jaga on Feb 21, 2022 21:56:29 GMT -7
Pieter, I was just watching a film about spice islands where nutmeg was found, and that were conquered by Dutch and what happened there. Dutch had quite a guild to bear.... anyways, thanks to your info, since Dutch colonial conquers and history are exciting. Here is the video:
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Post by kaima on Feb 22, 2022 10:22:13 GMT -7
During the largely forgotten Korean War from June 25, 1950 until July 27, 1953 about 2–3 million Korean civilians died. Next to that 170,927 died on the Western United Nations and USA military side and 398,000–926,000 soldiers died at the North-Korean, Soviet and Chinese side. What attrocities took place there most people are forgotten.
There were numerous atrocities and massacres of civilians throughout the Korean War committed by both sides, starting in the war's first days. On 28 June 1950, North Korean troops committed the Seoul National University Hospital massacre. On the same day, South Korean President Syngman Rhee ordered the Bodo League massacre, beginning mass killings of suspected leftist sympathizers and their families by South Korean officials and right-wing groups. Estimates of those killed during the Bodo League massacre range from at least 60,000–110,000 (Kim Dong-choon) to 200,000 (Park Myung-lim). The British protested to their allies about later South Korean mass executions and saved some citizens.
In 2005–2010, a South Korean Truth and Reconciliation Commission investigated atrocities and other human rights violations through much of the 20th century, from the Japanese colonial period through the Korean War and beyond. It excavated some mass graves from the Bodo League massacres and confirmed the general outlines of those political executions. Of the Korean War-era massacres the commission was petitioned to investigate, 82% were perpetrated by South Korean forces, with 18% perpetrated by North Korean forces.
The commission also received petitions alleging more than 200 large-scale killings of South Korean civilians by the U.S. military during the war, mostly air attacks. It confirmed several such cases, including refugees crowded into a cave attacked with napalm bombs, which survivors said killed 360 people, and an air attack that killed 197 refugees gathered in a field in the far south. It recommended South Korea seek reparations from the United States, but in 2010 a reorganized commission under a new, conservative government concluded that most U.S. mass killings resulted from "military necessity", while in a small number of cases, they concluded, the U.S. military had acted with "low levels of unlawfulness" but the commission recommended against seeking reparations.
In the most notorious U.S. massacre, investigated separately, not by the commission, American troops killed an estimated 250–300 refugees, mostly women and children, at No Gun Ri in central South Korea (26–29 July 1950). U.S. commanders, fearing enemy infiltrators among refugee columns, had adopted a policy of stopping civilian groups approaching U.S. lines, including by gunfire. After years of rejecting survivors’ accounts, the U.S. Army investigated and in 2001 acknowledged the No Gun Ri killings, but claimed they were not ordered and "not a deliberate killing". South Korean officials, after a parallel investigation, said they believed there were orders to shoot. The survivors’ representatives denounced what they described as a U.S. "whitewash".
The US bombing of North Korea has been condemned as a war crime by some authors, because it often included bombing civilian targets and caused many civilians casualties. According to Bruce Cumings, "What hardly any Americans know or remember is that we carpet-bombed the north for three years with next to no concern for civilian casualties.” Author Blaine Harden has called the bombing campaign a "major war crime“ and described it as "long, leisurely and merciless”. He says it's "perhaps the most forgotten part of a forgotten war". Pieter, this topic of US extreme violence in Korea deserves its own thread, but then I only have this one contribution, a recent article from the Washington Post. It is sad that war and violence and the need to impose our will on other peoples is so consistent and bloody throughout the history of humanity. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/20/general-macarthur-statue-protest-korea-incheon/World A 91-year-old North Korean loyalist’s lonely battle against a long-dead U.S. generalBy Andrew Jeong February 20, 2022 at 4:34 a.m. EST INCHEON, South Korea — During the Korean War, Ahn Hag-sub was a devoted 22-year-old communist serving in a North Korean militia unit. Seven decades later, he still hates the Americans, and their wartime leader, Gen. Douglas MacArthur. At age 91, he says his last act of resistance against MacArthur will be lighting on fire a statue of the general that has stood in Incheon since 1957. “MacArthur is the enemy of our people,” Ahn said in an interview at his home near Incheon, a South Korean port city located an hour’s drive west of Seoul. Ahn has lived there since the late 1990s, when he was released from a South Korean prison on humanitarian grounds, after spending 40 years behind bars. “I will resist for as long as I can,” he added, tightening his lips. In South Korea, declaring loyalty to North Korea — as Ahn did, something he still refuses to rescind — is a serious national security crime that can land violators in prison for life. As a free man, Ahn joined a small but dedicated far-left nationalist group calling itself the Peace Treaty Movement. (It’s with several younger colleagues in that group that Ahn said he’d set alight the MacArthur statue.) The movement’s dislike of MacArthur, who died in 1964, reflects a minority opinion in South Korea, but a heated one. At a time when the statues of historical figures are being reexamined (and in some cases removed) in the United States and Britain, the group is trying to bring attention to a debate over this pivotal — and foreign — figure in modern South Korea’s history. Ahn Hag-sub, a former North Korea militiaman who fought against South Korean and U.S. troops during the Korean War, at his home on Jan. 3. He was imprisoned for four decades in South Korea after the war for refusing to rescind his allegiance to the North Korean regime. (Andrew Jeong/The Washington Post) South Koreans with similar views see MacArthur as a ruthless commander whose forces killed Korean civilians. MacArthur’s statue should be removed, they say, and sent to the war museum in Seoul or dismantled. They also blame MacArthur for installing pro-Japan collaborators in positions of power in the early days of South Korea after World War II, instead of punishing them. That stance was aired last summer by Lee Jae-myung, a left-leaning South Korean candidate running in the country’s presidential elections set for March 9, who was criticized for his remarks. But very few have sought action against the statue or other monuments marking U.S. contributions to South Korea. Many South Koreans view MacArthur as a godsend who saved their country twice: first from Japan, which ruled Korea until 1945, and then from North Korea, which invaded the South in 1950 and was repelled by allied forces led by the American general. To them, MacArthur’s statue is a symbol of patriotism that should be left alone. In the summer of 1950, U.S. and allied forces were cornered by more-experienced North Korean troops on the southeastern edge of the Korean Peninsula, on the brink of defeat. Then MacArthur launched a successful surprise amphibious attack on Incheon, which was at the time behind the North Korean front line. His victory cut off North Korean supply lines and forced their retreat. Although MacArthur has become a symbol of “rampant American imperialism” to his Korean critics, the Incheon landing was a brilliant tactical maneuver that turned the tide of the Korean War, said Jean H. Lee, a senior fellow at the Wilson Center in Washington. Unlike Ahn, most Incheon residents appear to have a fondness for MacArthur and the 36,000 Americans who died serving in Korea. The city has a museum solely dedicated to MacArthur’s 1950 victory. A portside street, several restaurants and at least one advertising firm in the city are named after him. Jamie Romak, a Canadian who played for Incheon’s pro baseball team, the Landers, dressed up as MacArthur for the 2019 KBO League All-Star Game, earning himself a warm ovation from local fans. And then there is the statue of the general, which has overlooked the Yellow Sea since 1957 from a hilltop park next to Incheon’s harbor, just several hundred feet from the beaches where American and allied troops landed 72 years ago. In addition to protesting the MacArthur statue, Ahn’s Peace Treaty Movement advocates the removal of the 28,500 American troops who are still stationed in South Korea to help deter a North Korean attack — something the North Korean regime has also demanded for decades, even as Pyongyang enhances its nuclear arsenal. The movement’s leader, Lee Mahn-jeok, is a self-proclaimed Christian preacher who was jailed for pouring fuel on the MacArthur statue and setting it ablaze in 2018, leaving burn marks on it. (Ahn says he couldn’t participate then because of poor health.) Lee, who lives just a few doors away from Ahn’s home, has helped take care of Ahn since his release from jail 27 years ago. Lee and Ahn say they know the statue cannot be burned down. Its removal seems unlikely, too. “But we want the burning to serve as a symbol of our struggle,” Lee said. Read more: www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/20/general-macarthur-statue-protest-korea-incheon/
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Post by pieter on Feb 27, 2022 14:29:08 GMT -7
Ron,
A very interesting story and a story which is seldomly told in the Western press. It broadens my horizon. This is typical a case of Audi alteram partem, "listen to the other side", or "let the other side be heard as well". I have to say that I miss Eric to have a Soviet, Russian and Communist voice on the Forum. It is good to hear to sides, but often 3, 4 or 5 different opinions about the same subject is even more important. Stories like Ahn Hag-sub, but also for instance in Europe stories of old German and Austrian Wehrmacht, Waffen-SS, SA, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine people about the Second World War are important. And in the same time also stories of Red army soldiers and even former NKVD and KGB people and hard core Stalinists to understand history and be able to put things into perspective. I am also interested in Chinese and Soviet Russian or Soviet Ukrainian military who were involved in the Korean war on the North Korean side. And next to that of course also the American, South-Korean, Japanese (Yes, Japanese folks fought there too), Australian , Dutch, Ethiopian, French, South African and Indian veterans of that war on the South-Korean and United Nations side. The French later had their Indo china war, which later became the Vietnam war.
Cheers, Pieter
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