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Post by Jaga on May 24, 2022 21:38:31 GMT -7
Hello All, Texas has one of the least restricting gun laws in the US. Just today there was a shooting there with at least 19 people dead. This cannot last longer and longer in the US, something need to change. Frankly I am worried when Ela will be back in Texas. The school she is in: Texas Lutheran College is small, still, Texas is a ground for crime it looks like. www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/abbott-uvalde-shooting-reaction-17196685.phpEditorial: Abbott says 'never again' after Uvalde school massacre. Don’t fall for it, Texans.“Horrifically, incomprehensibly.” That’s how Gov. Greg Abbott described the actions of a gunman who slaughtered at least 18 children and their teacher Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde. The first word is apt — especially for the moms and dads who dropped off their little ones at school Tuesday morning, maybe lingering a little bit in the car line, just to crane their necks back and watch as that precious little body, that floppy ponytail or that lanky little stringbean frame, laden with backpack and lunch box, made it safely through the schoolhouse door, where, it seemed, they would be safe. Horrific was the moment they got the news. Horrific will be their nights of endless tears. Horrific will be the bright, sunny mornings when they remember it wasn’t a dream. The bed is empty, no little lump beneath the blankets, waiting to be awoken. But the second word Abbott used — “incomprehensibly” — is just as much cowardice as it is a bald-faced lie. Of course it’s impossible to fathom why someone would shoot up an elementary school, or any school, but it’s hardly incomprehensible that it happened. It keeps happening, in Texas and across the nation. No one, especially not the governor of a state with some of the most inept, irresponsible and dangerous gun laws in the nation, should be confused, somehow unable to comprehend, the reasons for this never-ending tragedy of mass shootings in our country. ... |
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Post by karl on May 25, 2022 12:30:52 GMT -7
Jaga
What a terrible and mean action against these children and those adults, I think there was two adults also that was killed not sure.
How or why a person would even think let alone to kill people such as what has occurred, even though the gun man was killed in this action, none the less, will not lessen what he had done.
It is a bit late for authorities to create new stiffer gun laws due to the vast number of these weapons in circulation. Perhaps the authorities will consider creating better protection for the schools with armed guards or police, or what ever. But no matter, the harm is done now and those effected children will never grow old, and the scars are now on the memories of the effected parents.
Karl
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Post by kaima on May 26, 2022 12:41:00 GMT -7
Hello All, never-ending tragedy of mass shootings in our country....
Yes, and at this point I must say this reflects the sick, sordid values of our country. No need to go into the endless examples.Kai |
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Post by pieter on May 27, 2022 8:44:33 GMT -7
Hello All, never-ending tragedy of mass shootings in our country....
Yes, and at this point I must say this reflects the sick, sordid values of our country. No need to go into the endless examples.Kai Ron, I understand your opinion and emotions since you spoke out in the past. It is hard to watch the suffering of the parents. Across the USA, parents were raw with anger, despair and hopelessness after learning of the 19 children and two adults shot to death at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex. They thought of the families hearing the worst possible news, the children who would never grow up, the shattering of so many lives. Pieter |
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Post by pieter on May 27, 2022 9:42:59 GMT -7
Hello All, never-ending tragedy of mass shootings in our country....
Yes, and at this point I must say this reflects the sick, sordid values of our country. No need to go into the endless examples.Kai Karl, It is hard to understand the mindset of such ruthless killers. What frustration, anger, irritation, disturbed mind and psychopathic mentality stands behind that. We have our own troubles at our European plate. These school massacres seem to be an American phenomenon the US society, people and politics has to deal with. Pieter |
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Post by karl on May 27, 2022 11:34:26 GMT -7
Pieter How well do I agree with you with these Psychopaths and what ever sets them off. Usually, not always, but usually there are earlier signs of what they are intending to do, it just takes some observation of detection and then notification to which ever agency would be the authority. In Germany I may risk to speak of, is not immune to such violence, primarily dealing with migrants and their twisted manner of revenge killing or that of their so called honour killing. In this case with the following url, is that of Kurds. With this, is the description of The German Police with the manner of their weapon use: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51576446www.dw.com/en/why-german-police-officers-rarely-reach-for-their-guns/a-17884779Karl |
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Post by kaima on May 27, 2022 16:39:57 GMT -7
Pieter How well do I agree with you with these Psychopaths and what ever sets them off. Usually, not always, but usually there are earlier signs of what they are intending to do, it just takes some observation of detection and then notification to which ever agency would be the authority. In Germany I may risk to speak of, is not immune to such violence, primarily dealing with migrants and their twisted manner of revenge killing or that of their so called honour killing. In this case with the following url, is that of Kurds. With this, is the description of The German Police with the manner of their weapon use: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51576446www.dw.com/en/why-german-police-officers-rarely-reach-for-their-guns/a-17884779Karl yes, Karl, but in America these Psychopaths have easy access to tools of mass murder, and our people and politicians have no will to address this situation. The problem of living with Psychopaths in our midst is simply not so severe and deadly in other countries. I must conclude it is a psychological problem peculiar to the USA. Kai |
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Post by Jaga on May 27, 2022 23:01:02 GMT -7
Psychopaths and semi-automatic weapons should not go together. This boy bought legally both guns just when he turned 18 years old. He did not even know how to drive a car, so he got his grandma truck into the ditch.
Yes, there are many guns but we need more 18 years old semi-automatic gun owners. These guns and their sales should be completely eliminated.
The local police did a terrible job, they were basically standing outside and doing nothing for almost an hour, letting this young man to kill almost all children and their teachers in the classroom.
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Post by karl on May 28, 2022 15:58:55 GMT -7
Kai
Yes, I do understand what you are saying in correction to my previous reply. The body of my reply between the United States and Germany of related psychopath murder is like comparing apples to oranges.
We are indeed so living in strange times.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on May 28, 2022 17:56:28 GMT -7
Karl, I wonder whether this latino police in this Texas city was not like police in Mexico or in Poland.... bunch of people who really don't want to expose themselves to the danger, they would just sit in their office and guard the population when everything goes well, but they do not really know how to reply when there is a REAL danger. It looks that finally border police acted appropriately, but they also were delayed since the local police did not want them to do get involved.
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Post by pieter on May 29, 2022 5:37:06 GMT -7
Pieter How well do I agree with you with these Psychopaths and what ever sets them off. Usually, not always, but usually there are earlier signs of what they are intending to do, it just takes some observation of detection and then notification to which ever agency would be the authority. In Germany I may risk to speak of, is not immune to such violence, primarily dealing with migrants and their twisted manner of revenge killing or that of their so called honour killing. In this case with the following url, is that of Kurds. With this, is the description of The German Police with the manner of their weapon use: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51576446www.dw.com/en/why-german-police-officers-rarely-reach-for-their-guns/a-17884779Karl yes, Karl, but in America these Psychopaths have easy access to tools of mass murder, and our people and politicians have no will to address this situation. The problem of living with Psychopaths in our midst is simply not so severe and deadly in other countries. I must conclude it is a psychological problem peculiar to the USA. Kai
What is that psychological problem peculiar to the USA?
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Post by pieter on May 29, 2022 6:27:39 GMT -7
Karl, I wonder whether this latino police in this Texas city was not like police in Mexico or in Poland.... bunch of people who really don't want to expose themselves to the danger, they would just sit in their office and guard the population when everything goes well, but they do not really know how to reply when there is a REAL danger. It looks that finally border police acted appropriately, but they also were delayed since the local police did not want them to do get involved.
Each country, nation and region faces it's own dangers, chalanges and threats. In the USA the combinatiion of lethal weapons in combination with mentally unstable people creates massacres. You and Ron justifiable ask questions about the gun control in the USA and easy access to heavy Comabat fire arms by civillians. The USA is different than Europe in the sense that more civilians own and have access to fire arms. In Western-Europe for instance criminals from the Netherlands go the Czech republic, Poland and Belgium to buy fire arms. We have heavily armed criminals who use AK-47 gas-operated assault rifles, pistols and Israeli made Uzi open-bolt, blowback-operated submachine guns and machine pistols.
In Europe, criminals mainly use weapons that fall under the category 'Small Arms and Light Weapons' (SALW), including revolvers (such as the Colt), assault rifles (such as the AK47), submachine guns (such as the Uzi) and light machine guns (such as the Browning). There are more than enough SALW in circulation to meet the demands of criminals and terrorists. At the same time do providers (such as suppliers from South-East Europe) have sufficient capacity to even to meet any further increasing demand.
It could be that due to the Ukraine war European organized crime organisations will try to access heavy arms in Ukraine or at the Ukrainian border zones in Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic. A lot of arms will be transported legally and illegaly to that border zones and in Ukraine arms were handed out to civilians without a lot of background checks. Somne of these arms might be in the hands of the Ukrainian and European organized crime organisations.
The USA is a very different country if you compare it to Canada and Mexico, Poland is very different than the USA, Canada and Mexico. And Poland is also very different than Western-European countries like the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark.
Each country in this different times of Covid-19 Pandemics, the Monkeypox ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox ), international terrorism, international organised crime, and lunatic lone wolves who commit massacres with fire arms is different.
Like Ron said, probably in the USA many people suffer from mental psychological problems and in combination with easy access to heavy combat fire arms and ammunition that leads to massacres. In USA, Mexico and Poland different tragedies take place. In Mexico you have the very deadly drugs cartels with their death squads who commit Islamic State (Deash) kind of slaughers (massacres) on civillians. Poland sees a lot of car crashes.
In 2011, Poland had a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000 population. There were a total of 449 murders in Poland in 2011. In 2014 Poland had a murder rate of 0.7 per 100,000. There were a total 283 murders in Poland in 2014.[1] In 2020, the homicide rate in Poland was 0.71 per 100,000 similar to recent years and down from a high of 2.4 per 100,000 in 1993 and 1994.
Polish organized crime emerged in the 1990s, when the traditional criminal underworld became better organised and due to rising corruption. Organized crime groups were well known (1992) for operating sophisticated car theft-rings, as well as for their involvement in drug trafficking (the main drug being amphetamine) and weapon trafficking.
The Pruszków mafia was an organized criminal group that emerged from the Warsaw suburb of Pruszków in the beginning of the 1990s. The group is known for being involved in large car-theft rings, drug trafficking (including cocaine, heroin, hashish and amphetamine), kidnapping, extortion, weapon trafficking (including AK-47's) and murder. Even though law enforcement dealt a severe blow to the Pruszków mafia, it is alleged that Pruszków-based gangs, with or without notice from their former leaders, have regained their strength in recent years and have begun setting up their car-theft rings and connections with Colombian drug cartels again.
A similar organized crime group known as the Wołomin mafia from Wołomin near Warsaw, with whom they fought bloody turf wars, was crushed by the Polish police in cooperation with the German police in a spectacular raid on a highway between Konin and Poznan in September 2011.
While local organized crime in Poland existed during the interwar period, it has mostly developed since the fall of communism (late 1980s/1990s) with the introduction of free market system in Poland and the lessening of the police (milicja) power.
Crime in Poland is lower than in many countries of Europe.
Newer studies (2009) report that the crime victimisation rate in Poland is constantly decreasing, and in 2008 Poland was at a low end of 25 among the 36 European countries listed. A 2004 report on security concerns of European Union residents indicated that the Polish public (along with that of Greece) are the most afraid of crime, a finding which does not correlate with the actual crime threat.
In comparisson with Poland, the Netherlands is like the Italy of the seventies, eighties and nineties, while Poland could be compared with Norway or Denmark.
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