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Post by pieter on Jun 24, 2022 9:00:51 GMT -7
Eastern cities under heavy bombardmentSource: BBCRussian officials have said their forces are fighting for the "complete liberation" of the Donbas, which broadly refers to Ukraine's eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, where Russian-backed separatists held significant territory before the invasion.
Russia has made slow but significant advances in the east, and now controls over 90% of the Luhansk region. Source: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
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Post by karl on Jun 24, 2022 17:47:20 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Jun 24, 2022 19:24:04 GMT -7
I wonder whether Russia would finish with Donna's or they would try to gain more. This is troublesome
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2022 5:07:14 GMT -7
Karl/Jaga,
Karl I agree with your Crap shot theory. We are not there, wars are unpredictable and the dynamics of war can change fast.
Jaga, I think in a similar manner. I see and experience that the war touches me more than other compatriots without Central-European or Eastern-European heritage.
In my family Polish and Ukrainian heritage is even intertwined in the Polish American branch. Still Ukraine 🇺🇦 is further away from me than let’s say Poland 🇵🇱, Czech Republic 🇨🇿 or Hungary 🇭🇺 since I have been to Prague, Budapest and the Polish cities, country side and the Sudety mountains.
We as Europeans and Central-Europeans have a strong historical, cultural and family roots connection with Middle Europe (Central Europe). For me that is the former territory of the Rzeczpospolita Korony Polskiej i Wielkiego Księstwa Litewskiego (1569 – 1795), the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Habsburg Empire, Prussia and the Russian Czarist Empire.
These old large tectonic plates collide in a modern form and shape today. Again the border lands of Prussia, the Russian Empire and Habsburg Austria with Ukraine 🇺🇦 in the Galician border lands.
I see old elements of the Cossack Hetmanates, Iwan the Terrible Spirit, Stalin, Hitler, the Cold War, Kiev Rus, the Mongolian Tartar invasions, and the Greek Byzantine settlement in Southern-Ukraine getting back in this conflict.
People project everything on today Russians vs Ukrainians, SovietUnion and etc. But there is more behind it from both sides. Also Ukrainian struggle for centuries with both the Poles and Russians. This might be political incorrect to say on a Polish Forum, but as someone who studied history I can’t go around the fact. The enemies of the past are sometimes your Allie’s of today.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2022 5:24:52 GMT -7
We have little we can do about, with and against this war as individual, because this war is beyond our reach and influence. We can try to find the best sources with accurate research journalist information, data, facts and figures. I like the maps and graphics the most because they give the most information. “like” is the wrong word, I appreciate them, because behind them is ‘darkness’, ‘destruction’ and ‘suffering’. You always have to keep that in mind.
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Post by kaima on Jun 26, 2022 8:40:54 GMT -7
Who will run out of soldiers first? Weapons delivery from the west is great, but replacing Ukrainian blood will be difficult - in a war of attrition Russia is likely to win. If Ukrainia looses its young, reproductive men in this war, will the country survive? Yes, I suppose, as France did after WW1 and other countries did after mass exterminations. But it will be a different country.
So we can fight on to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Publicly they seem willing, judging by the public statements of their politicians. So it is a crap shoot on who will bleed to death first, in blood and economics. I can't guess on the outcome. But then I can't guess on the direction of the USA today either.
Kai
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Post by karl on Jun 26, 2022 10:10:23 GMT -7
Who will run out of soldiers first? Weapons delivery from the west is great, but replacing Ukrainian blood will be difficult - in a war of attrition Russia is likely to win. If Ukrainia looses its young, reproductive men in this war, will the country survive? Yes, I suppose, as France did after WW1 and other countries did after mass exterminations. But it will be a different country. So we can fight on to the last drop of Ukrainian blood. Publicly they seem willing, judging by the public statements of their politicians. So it is a crap shoot on who will bleed to death first, in blood and economics. I can't guess on the outcome. But then I can't guess on the direction of the USA today either. Kai Kai and Pieter Only as an opinion of my own, but I do believe you have brought out the winning formular of war. For to the side to out produce losses with replacements to out last their opponent unless through weapon technology used to destroy the opposite side's ability to continue in the fight. At this time, Mr. Volodymyr Zelensky is the darlene in the Western Mindset as the brave leader of the current situation of Ukrainians fight against the invasion from the East as the Russians. With this his tearful appeal and application for membership in to the EU is at question. For this could set off a number of situations of a fuse lighted to the nuclear forces now at the decision of Mr. Putin. Is this what our respective leadership are willing to gamble our respective lives on? Is Ukraine worth the risk? For Ukraine has a long history of corruption at the political, judicial and economical levels to be trusted. For at present, Mr. Zelensky is asking for with his application of being allowed to join the EU, with this application, goes to Ukraine, the benefits at the risk of nuclear retaliation from Russia. For this risk if carried out, would be the end of us all with our way of life destroyed. This in self, would not disclude The USA, for it takes of approximately 30minutes of rocket flight time to reach North America from Russia. In this matter, the question that must be answered: Is Ukraine worth the risk? Both Mr. Putin and Mr. Zelensky will in time be replaced with who knows what, then the situation how ever will once again be on the table of concerns. Or, perhaps my Frisian thinking is leading no where other then the worse case scenario hoping for instead, the best. Karl |
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Post by Jaga on Jun 27, 2022 11:59:28 GMT -7
I think that eventually Russia would have to stop this senseless war. Although Ukraine has less soldiers and weapons, Russia has no international support and it cannot kill half of its soldiers population senselessly. So I just hope they would get out of money and out of Russian population support for this war for the sake of Russian empire
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