Post by pieter on Aug 20, 2022 4:57:04 GMT -7
Folks,
I think this war is going on for to long now. It becomes nastier and nastier. Reports about the brutal and inhumane treatment of Russian soldiers come out now. They are treated like beasts by their generals, commanders and officers who don’t care about them. They are literary cannon fodder. They have no propper food, no proper clothes, no propper equipment, so they steal food, steal PC’s (computers to sell), they loot Ukrainian stores and houses like a bunch of invading rats, Foxes, Wolves and Hyena’s.
Because they are dehumanized they will behave like beasts, because their lives are not worth much. In the same time I hear ridiculous Western media reports about the possibility that Ukraine might win the war. That Ukraine with American, British, Polish, Canadian, Czech and other Western training and Western artillery, ammunition, drones, armoured vehicles, British M270 multiple-launch rocket systems with M31A1 precision munitions, Nlaw Light anti-tank weapons, Brimstone 1 missiles might halt the war or stop the war.
Journalists, civilians and politicians fail to understand Soviet & Russian history, Ukrainian history, the mindset of both Russians and Ukrainians, and the mindset of Vladimir Putin and his men.
Putin started this war machine, this war propaganda and the change of the society of the Russian Federation due to this war, and has managed to change the mindset of Russians via that state propaganda via television, Radio, influencers, websites, blogs and podcasts.
This war will last as long as Putin lives, and maybe beyond that. If Russia 🇷🇺 is funded and supplied by China 🇨🇳 they can have a long breath.
What worries me in the West is that there is no Audi alteram partem (or audiatur et altera pars) "listen to the other side", or "let the other side be heard as well" anymore. The Russian, Chinese, Pro-Russian Serb, Pro-Russian Syrians, Venezuelans and Cubans, and Pro-Russian voices in Western Europe and the USA.
So the West is looking at an antithesis, dualism of Russian propaganda vs Ukrainian propaganda, and the truth lies somewhere inbetween the Russian propaganda on one side and the Ukrainian propaganda on the other side. Ukraine wasn’t pleased with the Amnesty International report which states that Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians ( www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/ ).
In the same time Ukrainian soldiers, officers, militiamen and pilots and drone people stil fight hard to defend their nation against a larger force than they are and have themselves. But since they are and feel Ukrainian they will fight until die die as a hero or Ukrainian martyr of this war. Both sides unfortunately will continue fighting because there is a lot at stake. Territory, important industries, cities, Airports, transport routes, civilian centers, army bases, power plants and thus Eastern- and Southern Ukraine 🇺🇦. If this goes on for to long and to much Ukrainians are tortured, raped, taken prisoner, killed and hurt, the Ukrainians might undertake more drastic actions like guerilla warfare in Russia, shelling Russian border towns and cities and Ukrainians might cary out bomb attacks and even terrorist activities against Russians. If the atrocities are to extreme, to cruel and to vicious, the revenge will be brutal, vicious and mean as well. They will target not only Russian military but also civilians. Of course I talk about Ukrainian civilian militia, extreme Ultra Nationalist groups like Pravy sektor (Oekraïens: Правий сектор), the Azov bataljon and people of Svoboda ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party) ) and others. Will the future relations between Poland 🇵🇱 and Ukraine 🇺🇦 stay good or will the Ukrainian nationalists and Polish nationalists clash again?
Cheers,
Pieter
I think this war is going on for to long now. It becomes nastier and nastier. Reports about the brutal and inhumane treatment of Russian soldiers come out now. They are treated like beasts by their generals, commanders and officers who don’t care about them. They are literary cannon fodder. They have no propper food, no proper clothes, no propper equipment, so they steal food, steal PC’s (computers to sell), they loot Ukrainian stores and houses like a bunch of invading rats, Foxes, Wolves and Hyena’s.
Because they are dehumanized they will behave like beasts, because their lives are not worth much. In the same time I hear ridiculous Western media reports about the possibility that Ukraine might win the war. That Ukraine with American, British, Polish, Canadian, Czech and other Western training and Western artillery, ammunition, drones, armoured vehicles, British M270 multiple-launch rocket systems with M31A1 precision munitions, Nlaw Light anti-tank weapons, Brimstone 1 missiles might halt the war or stop the war.
Journalists, civilians and politicians fail to understand Soviet & Russian history, Ukrainian history, the mindset of both Russians and Ukrainians, and the mindset of Vladimir Putin and his men.
Putin started this war machine, this war propaganda and the change of the society of the Russian Federation due to this war, and has managed to change the mindset of Russians via that state propaganda via television, Radio, influencers, websites, blogs and podcasts.
This war will last as long as Putin lives, and maybe beyond that. If Russia 🇷🇺 is funded and supplied by China 🇨🇳 they can have a long breath.
What worries me in the West is that there is no Audi alteram partem (or audiatur et altera pars) "listen to the other side", or "let the other side be heard as well" anymore. The Russian, Chinese, Pro-Russian Serb, Pro-Russian Syrians, Venezuelans and Cubans, and Pro-Russian voices in Western Europe and the USA.
So the West is looking at an antithesis, dualism of Russian propaganda vs Ukrainian propaganda, and the truth lies somewhere inbetween the Russian propaganda on one side and the Ukrainian propaganda on the other side. Ukraine wasn’t pleased with the Amnesty International report which states that Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians ( www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/ ).
In the same time Ukrainian soldiers, officers, militiamen and pilots and drone people stil fight hard to defend their nation against a larger force than they are and have themselves. But since they are and feel Ukrainian they will fight until die die as a hero or Ukrainian martyr of this war. Both sides unfortunately will continue fighting because there is a lot at stake. Territory, important industries, cities, Airports, transport routes, civilian centers, army bases, power plants and thus Eastern- and Southern Ukraine 🇺🇦. If this goes on for to long and to much Ukrainians are tortured, raped, taken prisoner, killed and hurt, the Ukrainians might undertake more drastic actions like guerilla warfare in Russia, shelling Russian border towns and cities and Ukrainians might cary out bomb attacks and even terrorist activities against Russians. If the atrocities are to extreme, to cruel and to vicious, the revenge will be brutal, vicious and mean as well. They will target not only Russian military but also civilians. Of course I talk about Ukrainian civilian militia, extreme Ultra Nationalist groups like Pravy sektor (Oekraïens: Правий сектор), the Azov bataljon and people of Svoboda ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party) ) and others. Will the future relations between Poland 🇵🇱 and Ukraine 🇺🇦 stay good or will the Ukrainian nationalists and Polish nationalists clash again?
Cheers,
Pieter