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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:25:52 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:26:32 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:27:07 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:27:49 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:29:57 GMT -7
Netherlands anti refugee riots in 2016
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:34:38 GMT -7
Dear Jaga,
Of course this migrant boat disaster on the Mediterranean Sea was horrendous, it was on Dutch and other European news Chanals. Unfortunately many of these boat disasters already happened and they will continue to happen, due to wars, civil wars, terror, human rights abuses, a gap of wealth between the wealthy Europe on one side and poor Africa, Middle Eastern countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan on the other side. A problem from one side is indifference from European populations and Populists politicians, and from the other side efforts to make Europe a fortress with Frontex (European Border and Coast Guard Agency), National Coast Guards, police forces, Customs agencies and armies that try to push these refugees back or put them in terrible camps. Many of these refugees see Paradise in Europe and hear stories about money, Jobs, prosperity, housing and social security while the reality is very different. Many of these refugees become illegal stateless migrants, and often live in deplorable situations. Many are exploited by Human Traffickers, Human trafficking rings, slave Labor and prostitution rings (girls and women mostly) in Europe. It is sad but European navies should patrol the North African coasts, and the Greek and Turkish waters. To avoid these dramatic tragedies and stop it where it starts and not in front of European shores. If people know that they have no chance to reach Europe and that there is no Future in Europe they won't try to cross the Mediterranean Sea and will not come to Europe.
We have an enormous amount of immigrants and refugees already. The world should create safe zones and no fly area’s with refugee camps and plans for sending back and resettle these people from where they came from. Europe does not want these people Jaga. England has huge problems with Pakistani’s, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany with North Africans, Sweden with Somalians and Eritreans. It sounds tough, but Europe wants to stay European, Europe for the European peoples. Over and over I hear civilians from various European countries, especially from places with large concentrations of Refugees and new migrants; “There are only young men amongst these refugees and they are mostly Muslim.” The aversion to the fact that most refugees are young men, and fear of families, mothers and fathers for their children, daughters and women being sexually harassed by young refugee men is large.
Yes these Europeans are often Xenophobe, Islamophobe, allergic for Muslim young men (and they immediately recognize young Afghan, Pakistani and North African men), and therefor not empathic for refugees that drown. I hear the harsh reply; “They shouldn’t have come in the first place. If they wouldn’t have come they wouldn’t have drowned. Go back where you came from.”
Other Europeans, many Europeans do have empathy, feel pity and many of them even try to help, from Christian, Leftist or Humanist convictions. And not only Christians, but also European Jews, Muslims and people with other faiths. And fact is that you have Pro-Refugee and Anti-Refugee sentiments in all communities. Integrated Muslim migrants whom have become ‘New Europeans’ fear that masses of non-European Muslim refugees create anti-Muslim sentiments, Xenophobia, Islamophobia, discrimination and racism for them. These European Muslims have become Europeanized and don’t like the newcomers. Some non-Arab European Muslims have anti-Arab sentiments. TurkeyTurkey has a history of strong anti-Arabism. During the Ottoman Empire, the Arabs were treated as just second-class subjects and suffered from immense discrimination by the Ottoman Turkish rulers, in addition, most of government's main positions were either held by Turks or non-Arab people, except for the Emirate of Hejaz under Ottoman rule. Future policy of anti-Arab sentiment, including the process of Turkification, led to the Arab Revolt (10 June 1916 – 25 October 1918) against the Ottomans.
Because of the Syrian refugee crisis, anti-Arabism has intensified. Haaretz reported that anti-Arabian racism in Turkey mainly affects two groups; (1) tourists from the Gulf who are characterized as "rich and condescending" and (2) the Syrian refugees in Turkey. Haaretz also reported that anti-Syrian sentiment in Turkey is metastasizing into a general hostility toward all Arabs including the Palestinians. Deputy Chairman of the nationalist and Kemalist political the Good Party warned that Turkey risked becoming "a Middle Eastern country" because of the influx of refugees. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Party )
Outside historical enmity, anti-Arabism is also widespread in Turkish media, as Turkish media and education curriculum associating Arabs with backwardness. This has continued influencing modern Turkish historiography and the crusade of Turkish soft power, with Arabs being frequently stereotyped as evil, uncivilized, terrorists, incompetent, stupid, etc. This depiction is frequently used in contrast to the alleged depiction of Turkic people as "noble, generous, fearsome, loyal, brave and spirited warriors".
Anti-Arab sentiment is also further fueled by ultranationalist groups, including the Grey Wolves and pan-Turkist nationalist parties, who called for invasions on the Arab World's Syria and Iraq, to prevent the ongoing Arab persecution of its Turkic populations in many Arab countries of the Middle East. Subsequently, Turkey has begun a series of persecuting its Arab population, as well as desire to recreate the new Turkish border.A Grey Wolves demonstratioin in Turkey, the Ultra Nationalist Grey Wolves are Anti-Arab. New York Times correspondent and associate editor Raymond Walter Apple Jr. (November 20, 1934 – October 4, 2006) described the Turkish Ultranationalist MHP party and its satellite groups (amongst whom the Grey Wolves (Bozkurtlar), a "xenophobic, fanatically nationalist, neofascist network steeped in violence."Europe’s past and the refugee crisisIf you understand that Fascism and Christian Ultra nationalism exists in the various Southern European countries, and that even the ‘European’ Muslim countries Turkey, Albania and Bosnia-Herzegovina aren’t rather Refugee/migrant friendly, you understand how difficult the situation is for incoming refugees in Southern Europe and South-Eastern Europe. Turkey (with it’s anti-Arabism), Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia, Italy, Malta, France, Portugal and Spain are not easy countries to enter for refugees. Turkish guards and soldiers push Refugees onto Greek soil or waters and Greek Guards/Soldiers push them back. Poland, the Baltic States and Finland don’t want refugees that come via Belarus and the Russian Federation. Refugees will continue to drown in the Mediterranean sea, in the tough mountainous borderlands between Iran, Iraq and Syria from one side and Turkey 🇹🇷 on the other. People also starved to death 💀 ☠️ while freezing in the mountains, falling accidents, being hit by falling rocks or stones, snake bites, and maybe even bear attacks or the danger of other wild animals and sometimes hostile locals, and crooks whom steal their money and than these refugees are stuck where they are, because they can't pay human traffickers anymore. Other refugees suffocated in the back of Trucks due to a lack of Oxygen, being locked up in a container. This human tragedy goes on Year after year. I repeat reality. Europe does not want these Refugees that drowned, and many Europeans didn’t care about these dead refugees, because they are Xenophobes, Islamophobes and racists. Like in the past Europeans were indifferent for Jews that suffered from Pogroms, discrimination, exclusion and the Holocaust. They didn’t care about the persecutions of Protestants by Catholic majorities, the burning of women whom were accused of being Witches. People are people and people have an egocentric, ethnocentric and selfish nature. Marek Edelman described it rightly.
edition.cnn.com/2020/12/21/uk/uk-truck-deaths-manslaughter-verdict-gbr-intl/index.html www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/07/essex-lorry-deaths-39-vietnamese-migrants-suffocated-in-container-court-hears
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:35:18 GMT -7
7 years ago
23 jul 2021 In the spring of 2021, FRANCE 24 went on board the Ocean Viking, the rescue vessel of the European NGO SOS Méditerranée. Off the coasts of Libya, we filmed both successful rescue missions and others that ended in tragedy, while observing how the authorities interacted with the vessel’s staff.
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:35:50 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:37:19 GMT -7
Tensions between native Dutch and refugees. Police and security along a Groningen road where refugees were walking illegaly. The Low Saxon North Easterners are fed up with a large concentration of refugees in their area and village.
It is a rural area, so when locals are fed up with things they use their tracktors to block the road. In this case the entrance of the Refugee camp in Ter Apel, Groningen, North-Eastern Netherlands
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:37:29 GMT -7
Jaga,
There is a difference between a large group of Safe landers/Free landers, people whom are amongst the refugees and whom come from countries with no war, no civil war, not really dictatorships or maybe authoritarian nations, but not nations where they would starve from hunger or thirst. Okay, they have poverty there and maybe are unemployed. But that is the responsibility of these nations, countries and people themselves to solve these issues. They can't just go to Europe, without speaking the European languages, without respect for European customs, traditions, history, Christianity and Judaism, the native European peoples and etc. In the Netherlands we speak about 'Real refugees' from war and Civil War zones and 'Economical refugees' from Safe countries, and these 'Economical refugees' are seen as profiteers and not suitable for settlement in the Netherlands.
Recently, there has been a lot of attention for asylum seekers from so-called 'safe countries' in the Netherlands. It is known that a large part of the nuisance in and around a number of asylum seekers centers is caused by asylum seekers from these countries. Despite extra enforcement, it has not yet been possible to structurally solve this nuisance.
These Safe landers/Free landers spoil it for the real refugees from war torn nations. So these Safe landers/Free landers from Morocco, Algeria, Tunesia, Albania, Mongolia, Georgia, Armenia, Ghana, Senegal, Cameroon, Senegal, Guinea, Côte d’Ivoire, The Gambia, Mali and other African countries without war or civil war should not be in Europe. They are unwelcome guests. They have no money, do not bring in wealth, but cost Europeans money. If these people would be sent back, there would be less problems with refugees and ethnic tensions between refugees. Because you have ethnic tensions between refugees and the Safe landers from North-Africa cause problems, because they know they have no right to be here and the possibility of being sent back makes them irritated, frustrated, angry, furious, a nuisance, annoying, aggressive, sometimes violent, criminal, reckless, risky, vandalistic and intimidating towards natives and other 'real refugees' from countries such as Syria and Afghanistan.
Pieter P.S.- You might say the USA took in the ppor from Europe, Economical refugees. The USA did that, but the present world is different, there are more people and Europe is not the USA.
Europe is not;Give me your tired, your poor Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free The wretched refuse of your teeming shore Send these the homeless tempest-tost to me I lift my lamp beside the golden door! Give me your tired, your poor Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free The wretched refuse of your teeming shore Send these the homeless tempest-tost to me I lift my lamp beside the golden door!We have enough poor Europeans from a large European underclass and the poor part of the immigrants. We can not ad to that masses of newcomers. That would disturb the balance and equality in our Social Capitalist, European Market economies and Parliamentarian democracies.
Pieterwww.vluchtelingenwerk.nl/nl/dutch-council-refugees
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:37:55 GMT -7
A real refugee from a war/dicatorship country
Eritrea is one of the worst dictatorships in the world with a totalitarian regime. The country often made war with Ethiopia.
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:38:37 GMT -7
Here you see the fact that a lot of Dutch people don't want refugees and migrants in their country. But many other compatriots are compassionate and tolerant people who dislike this behavior. But I (Pieter) can understand the emotions of these people. But do not endorse their aggression, violence and vandalism.
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:40:53 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:42:19 GMT -7
Pieter and jaga
The following is truth and not just words of what Pieter has brought forth. These people are being fed exaggerations and lies by groups who are taking their money for transport to our shores. It is a business for the few to take from the many.
For if these people wish to enter our respective lands, then do it the legal way.
[There is a difference between a large group of Safe landers/Free landers, people whom are amongst the refugees and whom come from countries with no war, no civil war, not really dictatorships or maybe authoritarian nations, but not nations where they would starve from hunger or thirst. Okay, they have poverty there and maybe are unemployed. But that is the responsibility of these nations, countries and people themselves to solve these issues. They can't just go to Europe, without speaking the European languages, without respect for European customs, traditions, history, Christianity and Judaism, the native European peoples and etc. In the Netherlands we speak about 'Real refugees' from war and Civil War zones and 'Economical refugees' from Safe countries, and these 'Economical refugees' are seen as profiteers and not suitable for settlement in the Netherlands.]
Karl
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:43:07 GMT -7
The Dutch Council for Refugees (VluchtelingenWerk Nederland) is a non-governmental organization (NGO) that represents the interests of refugees and asylum seekers in the Netherlands. The organization does this from the moment of entry up to and including integration into Dutch society, based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The executive work is done by paid employees and a large number of volunteers who are involved in both social and legal guidance.News, February 11, 2022Six questions about asylum seekers from safe countries and harassmentRecently, there has been a lot of attention for asylum seekers from so-called 'safe countries'. It is known that a large part of the nuisance in and around a number of AZCs is caused by asylum seekers from these countries. Despite extra enforcement, it has not yet been possible to solve this nuisance structurally. Six questions and answers about asylum seekers from safe countries.English1 What are 'safe countries'?The Netherlands has drawn up a list of safe countries of origin. This list is used by the IND to determine whether an asylum request has a chance. Because the vast majority of asylum seekers from these countries are in no danger, these asylum requests are assessed more quickly. These are relatively stable countries where it is known that, in principle, no people are persecuted or tortured. The government can protect you there if necessary. You may be who you are, you may express your opinion and profess your faith. At least, that's the theory. In practice, a small part of the asylum seekers from safe countries have a very good reason to apply for asylum.
On average, about 2 percent of them eventually get an asylum permit, according to figures from Eurostat and the Central Government (see question 2). Het gaat, for example, about (political) activists, critical journalists or LGBTI asylum seekers. The term 'safe country' is therefore partly misleading: even in these countries it is not safe for some people. That is why it is important that asylum requests from these countries are well assessed. Whether a country is seen as 'safe' therefore only determines the speed of the procedure and not whether someone gets asylum.2 How many people went, and where did they come from?Last year, approximately 4% of the asylum requests of an asylum seeker came from a safe country of origin (IND figures). The largest group comes from Morocco and Tunisia. The rest come from a large number of different safe countries of origin, but the group concerned is small. Other safe countries of origin that have occurred more often in the past are Albania and Mongolia. Because these asylum requests are treated with priority and are rejected in almost all cases, asylum seekers from safe countries have to leave reception much faster. Because of this, the percentage of asylum seekers from safe countries in reception is even lower than the percentage of the number of asylum requests.
How many of these requests are granted can be found on Eurostat, the statistical office of the European Union. The Rijksoverheid also publishes annually in 'De staat van migratie' about this. On average, 98 percent of the asylum requests from safe countries were rejected over the past three years. Of the number of decisions on asylum applications from asylum seekers from Morocco last year (in 2021), 8.5 percent were granted. Among Algerians, that percentage is 4.3 percent.3 Why do they come to the Netherlands?A small part of the asylum seekers from safe countries are actually in danger and are granted asylum. But the vast majority clearly need no protection against war or persecution. It was often about young men who went to Europe for a better future. They do not want to return to their country of origin because they see no perspective there or are ashamed in front of their family that they have failed in their eyes. A large proportion of them struggle with psychological problems or are addicted.
Most of them know that they have no chance of a residence permit, but abuse the asylum procedure to be able to stay in reception for a while. After their asylum request is rejected, they often leave the Netherlands again or end up in illegality. It is not known how many people died. One part of this group subsequently applies for asylum in another European country in order to be able to stay there again for a while in reception.4 Why are asylum seekers from safe countries not simply deported?The asylum procedure for asylum seekers from safe countries is very short and is treated with priority by the IND, which deals with the applications. In most cases, one rejection follows within a few weeks. After any appeal, they must leave the country within 4 weeks at the latest. They are also banned from entering the Netherlands and the European Union for two years. If it turns out that another country is responsible for their asylum application, then a Dublin claim is made. That means that the Netherlands requests, for example, Germany to take over the asylum seeker. They then move to an azc and their procedure can then take five to six months.
Those who refuse to leave can be forcibly deported, provided that the country of origin has cooperated. If one country does not cooperate, then it is impossible to put asylum seekers out of that country on the plane. Morocco is one example of that. Asylum seekers from the countries are indeed forced to leave the reception. They end up on the street. Usually they then leave independently to another country.5 What is being done against nuisance?In municipalities where there is relatively much nuisance from this group, such as Westerwolde (Ter Apel), in the North Eastern province Groningen in the region Westerwolde and Cranendonck (Budel), a town in the Dutch province of North Brabant in the Southern Netherlands where the accelerated procedure for asylum seekers from safe countries takes place, extra effort is put into enforcement. With more security guards and police deployment, an attempt is made to prevent nuisance such as shoplifting and antisocial behavior on the street and in public transport. (See the video's Pieter has provided over here of Ter Apel above here) And troublemakers can be punished more quickly. During the accelerated procedure, they receive no living allowance, have less freedom of movement and are kept under extra watch. Asylum seekers who cause serious nuisance in an asylum seeker center can be temporarily placed in a HTL (Handholding and supervision location). However, all this commitment to enforcement and austerity only has a limited effect. For years it has not been possible to completely solve the burden of asylum seekers from safe countries.
What do we think should happen?
It is incredibly sad that one relatively small group of harassers has repeatedly ruined the reputation of people who are on the run from war or persecution. Asylum seekers from safe countries who knowingly make an unjustified asylum request are abusing the asylum procedure and the reception of refugees. Refugees in the centers are the victims of this in all kinds of ways. They are watched for the behavior of this group and do not feel safe in the shelter. And all use of the scarce capacity of the IND (Immigration and Naturalisation Service, Dutch: Immigratie en Naturalisatiedienst) and COA (Central Authority Accommodation Asylum Seekers, in Dutch; Centraal Orgaan opvang asielzoekers) went at the expense of refugees for whom it was intended. Support for the reception of asylum seekers is under enormous pressure due to this small group of asylum seekers from safe countries.
We advocate that the group of hopeless asylum seekers be well mapped and that clear return agreements are made with the countries of origin. We also believe that no more Dublin claims should be made to people from safe countries because the procedure has made it 'extra attractive' for this group to find temporary shelter in the Netherlands. Even now, a Dublin procedure is often started with the aim of sending the asylum seeker back to the first EU country where he or she submitted an application. But these procedures take months and are pointless, because the person in question often left the reception before the end of the procedure in order not to be transferred to another country. In our view, the Netherlands would do well to process these asylum requests themselves as quickly as possible.The Dublin claimThe Dublin claim is a concept from European asylum law for the processing of asylum applications based on the Refugee Convention. Based on the 1990 Dublin Convention and the following Dublin Regulation, which has been in force since 2003, both schemes determine who in Europe is responsible for examining an asylum application, the asylum law of the EU states refers to aims to ensure that an asylum seeker's asylum application is processed in one EU country.
If, on the basis of the rules that have been drawn up, a state other than the Netherlands is responsible for an asylum application, the Netherlands can submit a request for transfer to that other country, without the Netherlands having to process the relevant asylum application. This presumed Dublin claim must then be approved by that other country, the transfer of the asylum seeker in question can take place.
A transfer to another country could run into obstacles if there was then a danger of indirect refoulement, i.e. that country could decide to transfer the asylum seeker to the country from which he had fled: an "onward expulsion" which is contrary to could come up with the refoulement ban in asylum law. In such cases, asylum seekers can turn to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) by invoking Article 3 of the ECHR. This article stipulates that a person may not be expelled to a country where he is in danger of inhumane treatment.euaa.europa.eu/asylum-knowledge/dublin-procedurehome-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/country-responsible-asylum-application-dublin-regulation_en6 What does VluchtelingenWerk think?Asylum seekers from safe countries who knowingly make an unjustified asylum request are abusing the asylum procedure and the reception of refugees. Refugees in the centers are the victims of this in all kinds of ways. They are watched for the behavior of this group and do not feel safe in the shelter. And all use of the scarce capacity of the IND and COA went at the expense of refugees for whom it was intended. Support for the reception of asylum seekers is under enormous pressure due to this small group.
The extra commitment to enforcement and austerity has not had enough effect in recent years. In addition, asylum seekers who are indeed in danger also end up in the austere reception regime. We think that more can be done to prevent troublesome asylum seekers from safe countries from coming to the Netherlands.- Make return arrangements with safe countries of originTroublesome asylum seekers from safe countries often know very well that they cannot be deported. Making return appointments is the most effective means of discouraging their arrival. This has also been successful in the past with countries such as Albania. In this, look for cooperation with other EU member states and put pressure on countries that do not want to cooperate on this.- Reject hopeless asylum requests from safe countries yourselfIn the EU, the agreement is that the country where an asylum seeker has entered is responsible for the asylum procedure. Many troublesome asylum seekers from safe countries have been to other European countries instead. The Netherlands then starts the 'Dublin procedure' and asks another country to take the asylum seeker back.
This procedure often takes months. All the time, the asylum seeker has the right to reception. Whereas rejection of one asylum request only took a few weeks. Moreover, after a year and a half, the possibility to start a Dublin procedure expires. Asylum seekers can also take advantage of this to make another asylum request. We are therefore calling for an end to Dublin procedures for asylum seekers from safe countries. In this way, their period in reception is quickly shortened and their arrival in the Netherlands is discouraged.- Provide specialized guidanceTry to reach these young men who have no perspective anywhere with psychological care and good return guidance. Here, as expected, only a small part will be open. But good guidance of troublesome asylum seekers with diverse (psychological) problems is both in the interest of themselves and society.
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