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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:43:37 GMT -7
Folks,
This video shows a friendly side of the IND, but my cousin whom died in 2019 worked for the IND, and I know the tough side. He worked for a department which was responsible for the eviction of people that were not welcome in the Netherlands, people from 'Safe Countries' whom posed as refugees from War and Civil War countries. These people are transported from Asylumseeker centers to Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, and from there they are returned to countries or regions where they came from. This sounds harsh folks. But only with a selective policy we can help real refugees that escaped from vicious totalitarian authoritarian regimes, oppressing dictatorships, civil wars, wars, area's that are hit by terrorism, clan and tribal conflicts and etc. By bringing these Moroccans, Algerians, Tunesians, Albanians, Ghanese and Kemyans back we can help real refugees/asylumseekers from Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan and other real war and civil war zones.
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 5:45:16 GMT -7
The refugee crisis has meant rising numbers of stateless people in the Netherlands. Their asylum applications have been rejected, but they have no papers allowing them to return to their home countries.In the video you see Marjan Sax helping the Somnalian woman whom is an illegal alien in the Netherlands. I have my doubts about Somalia as a safe country. The US State agency Travel.State.Gov - U.S. Department of State — Bureau of Consular Affairs says about Somalia: "Do not travel to Somalia due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, health issues, kidnapping, and piracy. Violent crime, such as kidnapping and murder, is common throughout Somalia, including Puntland and the Somaliland region. Illegal roadblocks are widespread. Some schools and other facilities acting as “cultural rehabilitation” centers are operating throughout Somalia with inadequate or nonexistent licensing and oversight. Reports of physical abuse and people being held against their will in these facilities are common. Terrorists continue to plot kidnappings, bombings, and other attacks in Somalia. They may conduct attacks with little or no warning, targeting airports and seaports, government buildings, hotels, restaurants, shopping areas, residential area's (neighborhoods) and other areas. "
Marjan SaxMarjan Sax (born 26 December 1947) is a Dutch feminist lesbian activist, member of Dolle Mina and co-founder of a number of feminist organisations, ethical bank Mama Cash among them. Sax is also an advisor for charity organisations. Dolle Mina (Mad Mina) was a Dutch feminist group founded in December 1969 that campaigned for equal rights for women. It was named after an early Dutch feminist, Wilhelmina Drucker. It was a left-wing radical feminist activist group that aimed to improve women’s rights through playful and humorous protest demonstrations.LifeSax was born in Amsterdam and studied political science at the University of Amsterdam. Her German parents of Jewish origin fled from Dusseldorf to the Netherlands in 1938, where they went into hiding for some time and successfully survived the war. After the death of her mother in 1958 and her father in 1972, she was left behind as an only child orphan. From the fortune that her father left her as a successful businessman, she then drew extensively on her studies and her idealism in the field of the women's movement.
She was teamleader at the Open School in the North of Amsterdam from April 1977 to 1981. After that she worked as a researcher at the Foundation Vrouw & Media from March 1983 until June 1986, where she studied the position of female journalists at Dutch newspaper publishers. Sax has worked as an independent advisor for charities since 2003. She is a writer and is a board member for several organisations. In 2003 Sax read the Mosse Lecture, titled Naar een nieuwe seksuele revolutie (Towards a new sexual revolution).ActivismSax was active in Dolle Mina and was the co-founder of various feminist organisations: the Vrouwenhuis in Amsterdam in 1973, the abortion-rights advocacy group Wij Vrouwen Eisen in 1974, the department of Female Studies at the University of Amsterdam and the women's bar Saarein in 1978 where Dutch lesbian-feminist collective Lesbian Nation organised events (mother-daughter days, poetry nights, folk song days, themed parties, etc.). And the Lesbian Archive Amsterdam (now IHLIA LGBT Heritage) in 1982. Sax also took part in several other lesbian and feminist activities. She was one of the occupiers of the abortion clinic Bloemenhove in Heemstede, when it was threatened with closure in 1976. This action played a role in the legalisation of abortion in the Netherlands. Sax kept a diary of this occupation, which was published in De Groene Amsterdammer, an independent Dutch weekly news magazine published in Amsterdam. It is one of the four independent opinion magazines in the Netherlands, alongside HP/De Tijd, Vrij Nederland and Elsevier.
In 1982 Sax co-founded the organisation Mama Cash with four others, and she was member of the board until 2003. Organisation Mama Cash has different funds for women projects that promote emancipation and feminism. Sax received a noteworthy heritage and in 1982 she gave Mama Cash an interest-free loan of 2,5 million guilders. The organisation was allowed to keep the profit. In the eighties and nineties Sax was involved in de Roze Draad (Pink Wire) (1985 - 1991, the feminist supportgroup of De Rode Draad (The Red Wire), an organisation for the improvement of the position of sex workers) and Vrouwen tegen Uitzetting (a collaboration to support female refugees).
The archive of Marjan Sax is being kept in Internationaal Archief voor de Vrouwenbeweging (International Archives for the Women's Movement) (IAV).RewardsSax has received different rewards for her efforts for the Dutch women's rights movement, like the 'Zilveren Anjer' of the Prins Bernhard Cultuurfonds in 1995 and the 'Bob Angelo Penning' of the COC in 1997. Marian Sax speechAlso that people have a good life. And that counts for everyone! One of the things we all stand for is compassion, and understanding (empathy), and understanding that in a time of Neo-liberalism (he late-20th century political reappearance of 19th-century ideas associated with free-market capitalism), has got such an enormous Power, in which everything what goes wrong in peoples lives is their own fault, we have to go back to a society in which compassion and SOLIDARITY, is back again. And there is nothing old fashionate about Solidarity, that is for now and that is of the Future, because if we are not solidary with everybody, and especially people that are weaker, or who live in difficult circumstances, than we are in a terrible society, where we do not want to go. Thus, YES FOR THE SOLIDARITY, and yes for the housing of refugees, and yes for a society, in which we in a structural manner take care of each other. I don't mean neighbourly assistance, because that has to be there always, but just where it is settled in society that we have a good health care system and a good social system (social security). We have to go into that direction again, Yes! I have to say one more thing, because we do not have much time. There are political parties like the far right National Rightwing Populist Freedom Party PVV of Geert Wilders and the Center Right VVD party of Prime minister Mark Rutte, and also the Christian political parties (CDA, CU and SGP), who talk all the time about 'Dutch values', that people who are newcomers, will have to adapt to us, our Dutch way of life. Who ever we are? And that seems to be a very tolerant thing, because that is directed at the Dutch tolerance for Homosexuals, adaption to our tolerant climate, but it is a Fake tolerance, because it is a tolerance at the expense of other minorities. Because people who are Muslim are the quilty ones. And we don't want to be played off against each other as minorities. (she means the means the the LGBTQ+ community vs the Muslim community, and she said we because as a Lesbian Feminist and pro-Refugees activist, she belongs to the LGBTQ+ community). That sort of tolerance we don't need. That is not about acception, that is only about blaming other groups. And we recognise that from the thirties (1930-1940), that we don't want ever again! Never again!
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Post by pieter on Jun 26, 2023 6:51:17 GMT -7
When I see that ship I understand the Anti-migrant Europeans. I only see young men. No families, no women and no children. They should build their own country, and stay with their families. You can't allow only young men in. You have to stop them, contain them, and sent them back. I see a collective mass of praying Muslim men. I see conflicts and tensions between them on that ship. I don't know who they are. Are they moderate muslims, secular Muslims, Fundamentalist Muslims. We don't know anything about these young men. Only that some of them are Arabs, some ofm them are Africans, and maybe that some of them are Afghans and Pakistani's, but most of them look Arabic. You will create problems in European host countries with these masses of young men from Muslim countries. Often conservative, fundamentalist, puritinical, Sunni Muslim or Shia Muslim men. What are their connections? Muslim Brotherhood (الإخوان المسلمون al-Ikhwān al-Muslimūn), ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood ), Islamic Party (Egypt), Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (Al-Nusra Front) from Syria, followers of the Egyptian cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri who was the imam of Finsbury Park Mosque in London, England, where he preached Islamic fundamentalist views?, the prince of Salafist The Hague, the Syrian Salafist Imam Fawaz Jneid, whom greatly irrates Dutch authorities and people whom combat Radical Islam (including moderate Muslims), Sharia4Holland ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia4Holland ),
Mustafa Kamel Mustafa (Arabic: مصطفى كامل مصطفى; born 15 April 1958), also known as Abu Hamza al-Masri (/ˈɑːbuː ˈhɑːmzə ɑːl ˈmɑːsri/ (listen); أبو حمزة المصري, Abū Ḥamzah al-Maṣrī – literally, father of Hamza, the Egyptian), or simply Abu Hamza, is an Egyptian cleric who was the imam of Finsbury Park Mosque in London, England, where he preached Islamic fundamentalist views.
Fawaz Jneid, known to his followers as Sheikh Fawaz Jneid, (Tripoli (Lebanon), July 1, 1964) was imam at the Salafi As-Soennah mosque in The Hague until 2012. A few weeks before the murder of Theo van Gogh (November 2, 2004), he cursed Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Theo van Gogh in a sermon: "O God, give Van Gogh a disease that cannot be cured by all the inhabitants of the earth. He would therefore desire death in vain, and it does not strike." In March 2018, Jneid was again discredited after the imam allegedly called Rotterdam mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb an apostate Muslim. Minister Ferdinand Grapperhaus said in the question hour of the House of Representatives that Jneid is being watched "very closely" when it comes to the criminality of his statements, but that he could not be prosecuted until now.
The Syrian Dutch Imam Fawaz Jneid (born in (Tripoli (Libanon), 1 juli 1964)) whom is a radical, fundamentalist, Islamist Jihadist Salafist Imam whom is known for extremist surmons in his Salafi As-Soennah mosque in The Hague when he was imam there and as a devisive figurem which speads hatred, extremism and is one of these extremist powers whom tries to convert moderate Moroccan mosques into extremist Salafist or Wahhabi mosques, Syrian Muslim Brotherhood or Saoudi Arabian style. We don't want that in the Netherlands, so this imam was watched by the Dutch intelligence agencies, press, media and politics. Moderate Muslims spoke out against him, like the Arnhem Mayor, former Labour Parlaimentarian, and former Amsterdam councillor and police man Ahmed Marcouch.
Arnhem Mayor Ahmed Marcouch vs Imam Fawaz Jneid. Moderate Muslim vs Extremist Muslim.
Islamic state like, Salafist Islamist Jihadist demo in the Hague 2016
Islamist Jihadi's disrupt meeting with Irshad Manji (born 1968); a Ugandan-born Canadian educator in
Irshad Manji (born 1968) is a Ugandan-born Canadian educator. She is the author of The Trouble with Islam Today (2004) and Allah, Liberty and Love (2011), both of which have been banned in several Muslim countries. She also produced a PBS documentary in the America at a Crossroads series, titled Faith Without Fear, which was nominated for an Emmy Award in 2008.[1][4] A former journalist and television presenter, Manji is an advocate of a reformist interpretation of Islam and a critic of literalist interpretations of the Qur'an.
and the Pakistani Islamist Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, Jamiat Ahle Hadith parties and Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (strong supporter of Taliban in Afghanistan and openly supported militarism/jihadism) parties, and Salafist, Wahhabi, Saddamist (Saddam Hussein supporters) Iraqi Ba'ath Party (Iraqi-dominated faction) supporters and members, and Taliban, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, PFLP (Peoples Front for the Liberation of Palestine), Syrian Ba'ath Party members (with torture, killing and human rights abuse pasts), Hizb ut-Tahrir supporters ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir ), Tunesian supporters and memners of the Tunesia Islamist and Francophobe (anti-French) Dignity Coalition (Arabic: ائتلاف الكرامة, romanized: Itilaf al-Karama), the Salafist Islamist Errahma party from Tunesia, the Algerian Hamas (aligned with the international Muslim Brotherhood), Salafist Islamist Jihadi cirlces amongst both Moroccan Berber (Imazighen/Amazigh) and Arab or Arabised Berber Muslin migrants and refugees. So fake refugees from the Safe countries Morocco, Western Sahara, Mauritania, Algeria, Tunesia, and Islamist Jihadi Sunni Muslims from Libiya, Egypt, Niger, Nigeria, Chad, Lebanon, Turkey, Albania, Chechenia, and the Turkic Muslim countries from the Caucasus Mountainous region and Central Asia; Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
Americans have to understand that not only Ukraine, the war between the Russians and Ukrains, the New tensions in Bosnia Herzegovina, Kosovo and Northern Ireland worry Europeans, but also the large polarization, Pillarisation ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillarisation ), new segregation, isolationism, intolerance, ethnic cleansing, religious devide between religions and the secular (atheist) vs religious divide (a growing secular atheist intolerance towards religious people whom are regarded as retarded, ancient, non-scientific -non-Dariwinst-, people whom believe in a fary tale [that fary tale is the Bible, the existence of God, Moses, Abraham, Adam & Eve, Noah and etc.]), and more and more ethno-nationalism, nativism, Identitarian thinking, Tribal- and clan thinking, linguistic differences, hatred, aversion, rage, extremism, terrorism, organised crime, aggression, violence and vandalism.
I have to say that with the list of expressions and words I used above here, people often think about White Native European, Christian, original European peoples, and that is wrong. This ethno-nationalist, nativist, Identitarian, Social-Darwinist, Fundamentalist, Extremist, aggressive, violent, deviant behavior, thoughts and convictions live amongst all ethnic groups, religions, political affiliations and sub groups. Amongst white Native Europeans, Black Africans, Asians, Middle Eastern Arabs, Jews, Kurds and Persians, amongst Turks and Turkic peoples (Azerbaijani's, Kazaks, Kyrgyz, Turkmens and Uzbeks), and other Western people (Americans, Australians, New Zealanders and white South Africans as well in the form of White Nationalism, White Power movements and other white sectarian movements),
What I am worried about and warn about folks, is that we are losing slowly our Western democracies, that elements and structures that bind us together, our Rechtsstaats, Checks and Balances and Separation of Power (what we call in the Netherlands our Trias Politica), our sophistication, civilization, humanity, common sense, dignity, reasonable pragmatism, moderate nature and Western identity due to extreme polarisation, new forms of segregation, elitism, classism (Class discrimination), divide between secular people and religious people, conservative and liberal people, Western people and non-Western people in Europe.
The biggest Fake news, lie and smoke screen folks is the so called 'tolerance', 'liberalism' and 'equality' thinking, practice, policies and measures of the European Center left and Left. What Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, White South Africans (I have friends and family in South Africa) do not realise, is the fact that many leftist Communist, Marxist, Socialist, Social Democratic, Green Party, Social (Left) Liberal parties, politicians, activists, militants, party members and voters have moved to the right in the last 20 years.
I already said it earlier on this Forum, the Europan Far left moved to the left (moving thus to the right), the European Left moved to the Center Left, the Center Left moved to the absolute Center (Big tent and Cemntrism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_tent / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrism ) and even a little bit to the Center right, the Conservative Liberal and Christian Democratic Center Right moved to the Conservative (Social Conservative/Fiscal Conservative Right), the conservative Right moved closer to the Arch conservative Right and in the Far right New National Rightwing Populist corned New parties and movements emerged and got space in the endless far right space in the most rightwing corner of the Political spectrum.
In the Liberal and Social Democratic Netherlands where for decades there was some sort of balance between the Center Left and the Center Right moved more and more to the Right, with several tendencies in the last decades. The tolerance of the sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties was replaced by a moderate or mild intolerance. This mild intolerance in a few decades became fierce intolerance in many cases. In the racist, xenophonbe, ethnocentric, Native white European thinking sense. Irritation about coloured, Black, clearly Muslim and Asian people which were too too present in the view/opnion of many White Native European Dutch, whom consider themselves, their country and nation as White Native European Dutch. On the streets, boulevards, squares, public places, in political debates, talkshows, comedies, the internet and on private meetings more and more racist incidents, statements, open aversion towards foreigners, migrants and Muslims was and is noticable. It is clear that these people don't want to see or hear Muslims, Muslim music, or call to prayer, and are less tolerant towards Hijabs, Chador's, Niqabs and Burqa's in Public. From the other side you saw the counter reaction of certain migrant groups who started to more and more live in their ethnic community and sometimes in militant ways show theur ethnicity, fashion, music, religious identity, nationality and group culture, extended family, clan or tribe. More Turks with Turkish flags, Moroccans with Moroccan flags and Kurds with Kurd PKK flags or Syrian Democratic Union Party (PYD) and People's Defense Units (YPG) flags of the Kurd fighters from northern Syria, where they fought against the Islamic State, Turkey, and probably the Free Syrian army and the Syrian armned forces.
The Netherlands moved from being a typical progressive, Social Captialist, Markt Wirtschaft, Stakeholder economy (with some Shareholder economy aspects, a mixed economy), classical liberal and Modern European Free Thinking Liberal country that legalised Abortion, Euthenasia and the Gay marriage, towards a more conservative, traditional, less tolerant country with Nationalist, regionalist, localist, ethno Nationalist and Rightwing Populist tendencies in the National conservative sense. More and more Euroscepticism, more and more synpathy for the UK Brexit, Hungary, Poland and Russia (which are seen by many as an example of ethnic pure countries without refugees and immigrants), more and more anti-Woke sentiments, more and more anti-climate change voices and convictions (Climate Change is a lie) and more and more xenophobe, Islamophobe, anti-Arab ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism ), antisemitic and conspiracy believing people. Of course you have a very large group of tolerant, liberal, progressive, leftist, socialist, social democratic, Marxist, Feminist, Woke, social liberal, Free thinking, left libertarian, leftwing conservative and moderate left people left. But the latter group is shrinking. The largest group of supporters and voters for the Far Right National Populist, National Conservative, Nationalist, xenophobe political parties are working class people rooted in former 'Red families', meaning former Social Democratic Labour Party PvdA ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Netherlands) ) supporters.
The working classes and lower Middle classes the former Labour Party (PvdA), and former other leftist Dutch party voters, former voters for the Dutch Communist Party ( CPN en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Netherlands ), Pacifist Socialist Party ( PSP en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifist_Socialist_Party ) and the Political Party of Radicals ( PPR en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Party_of_Radicals ), the Dutch Socialist Party ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Netherlands) ) moved to the Populist Right. The assassinated Populist politician Pim Fortuyn and his List Pim Fortuyn ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn_List ), the Proud of the Netherlands (Trots op Nederland) party of independent member of the House of Representatives Rita Verdonk, Geert Wilders Freedom Party (PVV), Thierry Baudet's Pro-Russian/Pro-Putin party Forum for Democracy and Joost Eerdmans and Annabel Nanninga's split off party of Forum for Democracy, JA21 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JA21 ) gain a lot of votes. In the past years the Farmer Populist party BBB of Caroline van der Plas entered the Dutch political stage as well.
On the left side the Migrant Populist Denk (Think) party entered the stage on 9 February 2015, and as a split off party of that Sylvana Simons Bij1 party emerged on stage on 24 December 2016. The exist next to the Party for the Animals (founded on 28 October 2002; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_the_Animals ) and the Greenleft (GroenLinks) party ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroenLinks ).
GroenLinks favours liberal immigration and asylum policies. It wants to empower victims of human trafficking by giving them a residence permit and it wants to abolish the income requirements for marriage migration. The Labour Party PvdA want to offer generous protection to refugees who have had to leave their country for humanitarian or political reasons. The PvdA believes that that solidarity must not be put to the test by migrants who have come our way for purely economic reasons. The Leftwing Social Liberal D66 party stands for a fair distribution of asylum seekers across countries. Within the Netherlands, D66 wants to combat nuisance from a very small group (about 3%) of asylum seekers. Moreover, people who apply for asylum deserve quick clarity about whether or not they are allowed to stay in the Netherlands. Now that often takes months or even years and all that time they live in enormous uncertainty. And if someone is not entitled to asylum, we ensure that they can and do go back to their country of origin.
The Socialist Party (Netherlands) concluded that hundreds of thousands of employees from Central- and Eastern Europe work in the Netherlands for low wages and under poor conditions. The Socialist Party talks about Polish-, Lithuanian-, Bulgarian-, Romanian-, and Ukrainian Guest workers. And that while many Dutch people are looking for work or could use a pay rise. Unregulated labor migration keeps wages low and pits workers against each other, while wrong employment agencies and multinationals are pampered. The SP went undercover and saw with their own eyes how workers from Central- and Eastern Europe are being exploited here.
The Socialist Party states; "It is increasingly painfully visible how vulnerable the position of many Polish, Lithuanian, Bulgarian- and Romanian migrant workers is. Their living and working conditions are often miserable. That is why, with an initiative memorandum on the Labor Migration Action Plan, together with the ChristenUnie (ChristianUnion) party, we call on the abuses surrounding labor migration to be tackled quickly."Hundreds of thousands of Poles come to the Netherlands to work. This leads to low wages and exploitation.What the leader of the (Dutch) Socialist Party, Lilian Marijnissen, found out is that Polish Guestworkers are exploited in the Netherlands by Dutch Employment agencies, and that in Poland Ukrainian Guestworkers were exploited by Polish Employment agenciesThe parties of the Center Right, right and Far right of course are for a more restrictive refugee and migrant policies or for a total closure of the Dutch border for refugees and migrants. Geert Wilders PVV, Thierry Baudet's Forum for Democracy and Joost Eerdman's and Annabel Nanninga's JA21 want Zero (0%) new Muslim immigrants and refugees in the Netherlands. They want border controls and to stop immigration from Muslim countries to the Netherlands. They say the Muslim migrants and refugees that are over here can stay if they integrate and assimilate. Criminal migrants and refugees however have to be sent back to Turkey and Morocco or other countries where they come from. And of course these parties want to return refugees from Safe countries. In the latter the leftwing, centrist and rightwing parties aggree. Refugees or 'Fake refugees' from safe countries should be repatriated, send back to the countries from where they came from. Fact is that we have already enough Moroccan Dutch people over here, today Dutch people, Dutch nationals.
Pieter
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