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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 5:40:25 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:03:47 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:08:13 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:11:17 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:14:13 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:44:24 GMT -7
Voting Party leaders
Whom do you see:
- Henri Bontenbal, leader of the Dutch Christian Democrats, the CDA party. The party will probably lose a lot of votes to the BBB of Caroline van der Plas, Pieter Omzigt's New Social Contract (NSC) party and the PVV. Pro-Israel.
- Lilian Marijnissen of the Socialist Party. She will lose to the New Leftist Alliance of GreenLeft/Labour Party of Frans Timmermans. Slightly more Pro-Palestinian.
- Laurens Dassen of the Pro European Volt (Netherlands) party, a new political party in the Dutch spectrum. The Social Liberal D66 will lose votes to Volt.
- Rob Jetten, leader of the Center Left social liberal D66 party. Neutral on Israel and the Palestinians.
- Thierry Baudet of the Far Right Forum for Democracy (party), a Pro Russian and conspiracy theory party. Forum for Democracy is a Rightwing Populist party and anti-immigration. Pro-Palestinian. Has some migrant support due to his conservative views.
- Mirjam Bikker, leader of the ChristianUnion party.
- Caroline van der Plas, leader of the Farmer Populist BBB (Farmer Citizens Movement) party
- Frans Timmermans of the the New Leftist Alliance of GreenLeft/Labour Party
- Chris Stoffer, leader of the SGP, Reformed Political Party (Dutch: Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij), a Christian right, Social conservative, Theocratic, Monarchist and Soft Eurosceptic political party. A Pro-Israel political party.
- Edson Olf, the leader of the Far Left, Dutch republican, Anti-capitalist, Black Lives Matter (Afro-Dutch interests) Bij1 political party
- Stephan van Baarle, leader of the political party Denk in the Netherlands, founded on a minority rights platform. A Pro-Palestinian and Muslim migtant party. Denk openly uses the slogan; "From the River to the See, Palestine will be Free!"
- Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius, leader of Prime Minister Mark Rutte's conservative liberal VVD party. She is more rightwing than Mark Rutte and tough on immigration. Slightly Pro-Israel.
- Geert Wilders of the Far Right Freedom party PVV. Pro-Israel, anti-Islam, anti-immigration and Hard Eurosceptic. Eonomical Leftwing, an social-cultural rightwing and conservative and Rightwing Populist.
- Esther Ouwehand, leader of the the Party for the Animals (Dutch: Partij voor de Dieren, PvdD) , an ecolical environmental issues based party with socially a left-wing agenda.
- Pieter Omtzigt of the New Conservative political party New Social Contract, which gains a lot of votes and support in the Dutch society. Omzight wants a new political culture and more technocratic politics based on a government of experts and specialists.
- Joost Eerdmans of the Pro Free Market economy and anti-migration JA21 party. A Rightwing Populist Political party which is more moderate than Geert Wilders Freedom Party (PVV) and Thierry Baudet's Forum for Democracy. JA21 is closer to the Farmers Citizens Movement (BBB) of Caroline van der Plas, Joodst Eerdmans JA21 and Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius conservative VVD party.
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:45:30 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:47:15 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:53:28 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 6:57:26 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 7:11:41 GMT -7
Interview with Dutch Prime Minister
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 7:48:11 GMT -7
Folks,
We Dutch were and are a classical liberal country in which Christian Democracy, Social Democracy and European Liberalism were dominant for over a century leading the country in Center Left and Center Right coalition governments. The last 5 decades the Netherlands like other European nations have struggled with issues like the Cold War, Energy security, recessions and unemployent, Migration waves and integration issues, organised crime, Islamism and terrorism, leftwing and rightwing domestic terrorism, the environmental changes, world crisis. social issues, social security issues, housing problems, political discord, 911, the political assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh and the emergence of National conservative, rightwing Populist Far right movements and political parties. You could say that in the liberal Netherlands a British or American kind of conservatism based on Edmund Burke, the Torrie (Conservative) party, Thatcherism or Reaganism didn't exist. Today you could say you have Trumpist like movements and political parties in the Netherlands and or political parties like PiS (Law and Justice; Polish: Prawo I Sprawiedliwość) in Poland and Fidesz (Viktor Orbán's political party) in Hungary, and Israel's Likud party of Benjamin Netanyahu. So the Netherlands have completely changed with these Conservative and Nationalist forces that entered the political arena and the Netherlands became less liberal, but it is stil a liberal country. Jaga is right that the Netherlands moved to the right.
Pieteren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frits_Bolkestein
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Verdonk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Baudet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joost_Eerdmans
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_van_der_Plas
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 9:47:36 GMT -7
I will vote this evening and stil are in doubt between Pieter Omzigt NSC and GreenLeft/Labour Party folks. Voting in The Netherlands is complicated due to all these political parties and party programs.
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Post by pieter on Nov 22, 2023 13:17:54 GMT -7
Folks,
It seems that the Freedom Party of Geert Wilders is the largest winner.
The Party for Freedom (Dutch: Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV) is a nationalist, right-wing populist political party in the Netherlands.
Founded in 2006 as the successor to Geert Wilders' one-man faction in the House of Representatives, it won nine seats in the 2006 general election making it the fifth-largest party in parliament. In the 2010 general election it won 24 seats, making it the third-largest party. At that time the PVV agreed to support the minority government led by Prime Minister Mark Rutte without having PVV ministers in the cabinet. However, the PVV withdrew its support in April 2012 due to differences over budget cuts at the Catshuis. In the following 2012 Dutch general election it won 15 seats, having lost 9 seats in the elections, still being the third-largest party. Following the elections, the party returned to the opposition and in the 2017 election, the Party for Freedom won 20 seats, making it the second-largest party in Parliament. It came third in the 2014 European Parliament election, winning four out of 26 seats.
The PVV calls for items like administrative detention and a strong assimilationist stance on the integration of immigrants into Dutch society, differing from the established centre-right parties in the Netherlands (like the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy, VVD). The PVV has also proposed banning the Quran and shutting down all mosques in the Netherlands. In addition, the party is consistently Eurosceptic and since early July 2012, according to the platform it presented prior to elections in September, it strongly advocates withdrawal from the European Union.
Party for Freedom is an association with Geert Wilders as its sole member; thus the party is ineligible for Dutch government funding, and relies on donations.
The PVV is a Dutch Nationalist, Right-wing populist, xenophobe, Anti-Islam, Anti-immigration, Welfare chauvinist and Hard Eurosceptic party. The Party is for a Dutch Nexit (following the Brexit). The PVV will probably moderate it's opinion and ideology and will probably form a coalition government with the center right Conservative liberal VVD party of Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius, NSC (New Social Contract) of Pieter Omtzigt, the Farmer party BBB and maybe the Christian Democratic CDA or the moderate Rightwing populist JA21. Also the Christian political parties SGP and ChristianUnion could join a coalition government. I don't think Geert Wilders will become the :Prime Minister. But I am not sure.
Cheers,
Pieter
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