Audi alteram partem - Gaza and Israel

[pieter]

[pieter]

[Jaga]

Pieter, you seem to ignore the fact that Gaza is completely ruined, at least 26 th Palestinians are dead. Israel could stop bombing anytime, but it does not. There is no any proportionality.
Where these people who are homeless should go? Do you see any safe place in Gaza?
Yes, it is true - the bombing of Gaza is the worst savagery since Holocaust for PEOPLE of Gaza. Netanyahu is using it to kill and displace millions of PEOPLE.

Here is more:



FINALLY Piers Morgan Says Israel’s War Has Gone Too Far

[pieter]

Dear Jaga,

I am a journalist, I show 2 sides. I am not a supporter of Netanyahu. I hope you see this. You make it personal. I just show the 2 sides. I hope that these 2 interviews show the Palestinian side and the side of the Israeli government. As a journalist you don't take sides. You show facts. I try to do this without my personal opinion.

My sympathy lies with all the victims, both the Palestinian and the Israeli ones of 7 october 2023. It is terrible what is going on in Gaza and that's why I posted the interview with the Palestinian Imam.

Pieter

[pieter]

Audi alteram partem



One of the most important principles in journalism is that of hearing both sides. The Journalism Council says the following about this in the Guidelines: 'Journalists apply adversarial hearing to persons who are disqualified by a publication, even when those persons only play a peripheral role in this. Those accused will be given sufficient opportunity to respond to the allegations, preferably in the same publication. However, hearing back does not absolve journalists from their task of reporting as truthfully as possible.'

The principle of audi alteram partem is not absolute: if the journalist limits himself to a representation of what was said in public or can be found in a published document, adversarial hearing will not be necessary. The absence of the possibility of reply does not necessarily lead to unlawful publication. And on the other hand, the mere fact that the accused was able to respond does not eliminate any possible unlawfulness. The nature of the accusations is important, their possible influence on the good name of the person involved and the question to what extent the accusations are supported by the factual material available at the time of publication.

Journalism



The first duty of every journalist is to expose the truth. That is why a journalist must apply adversarial practices to provide the public with sound and verified information. In journalism, it is not the judge who judges behavior, but the general public who must make a judgement. That is why the journalist also has the obligation to 'hear both sides'.

[pieter]

Decomposing bodies of Palestinians have been found dumped in a schoolyard in northern Gaza. Eyewitnesses say the victims were blindfolded, tortured, and killed before being placed in plastic bags.





Folks,

Brutalities took place and take place on both sides and you have to take into consideration that Palestinian, Israeli, Arab, Iranian, American, Russian, Turkish, Pakistani, India (Hindu Nationalist government and BRICS member), Chinese propaganda and propaganda of and interests of (former colonial-) European, Asian and African countries plays a role in this war. Always question every report, every article, every essay, every documentary, every photo of a war photographer, every statistics, every figure, every mark, every interview and every column (opinion), story, file, conversation about the conflict and every government person who delivers a statement. (Israel, Egypt, and Jordan were former British colony and former Turkish Ottoman colony, Syria was French and etc.)

Both Palestinians (Hamas) and Israeli, killed, tortured, interogated, bombed, shelled and targeted people from the other side. There is a lot of Hamas propaganda that plays a role in the reporting in the Western, Arab, Turkish and Iranian press. From the other side you have to question press releases, reports and statements of the Israeli government, the IDF (Israeli army) and Israeli politicians. Again realise that next to an armed conflict with arms (rifles, Qassam rockets, RPG's, machine guns, guns, mortars, grenades, tunnels, tanks, fighter yets and drones) this is also a Propaganda war of the Israeli and the Hamas propaganda machines. We in the West can't understand the pressure, stress, suffering and anxiety both the Palestinians and Israeli's (whom fear Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and certain Hostile Arab countries and forces) are living under and with.

Pieter

[pieter]

[pieter]

[karl]

Pieter and Jaga

Speaking only by and for myself, I am very prolife to a great extent and feel badly for the current plight of the Palestinian people. With this said, personally I do not know any Palestinian people but have good friends in Kuwait which I do care a great deal of. I am not in any manner a crusader of human rights, but a realist of facts past and present, with this, to only make this reply once as this topic contains a great deal of emotional value that overtakes reality.

It must be reminded of the past treachery committed by large numbers of Palestinians in the past that has not escaped the attention of surrounding Arab states in as well as this current situation. In year 1991, a large population was living in Kuwait under the rule of the Kuwait family, then of that year, was the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait by the Iraqi ruler, Saddam Hussein. Mr. Hussein at that time owed considerable large Kuwaiti loans which he was unable to repay, for he had spent the loans on Russian weapons and tanks. This then coupled with the discovered issue of cross drilling from Kuwait territory into Iraqi oil fields which then was an excuse for a quick invasion of Kuwait, capture of oil fields owned by the Kuwait ruling family. But this was foiled by the likewise American invasion of Iraq by request of the Kuwait family. Whilst though of this, the situation was deemed by the large number of resident Palestina's who openly welcomed the Iraqi invasion resulting for their mass expulsion out of Kuwait to Jordan, where they were then expelled out of Jordan by the Jordanian king as unwelcomed guest.

Once again the Palestinian people have repeated this very similar tactic now of keeping silent all these very months of the Hamas buildup of Iranian weapons, supplies and rockets. With this, to stay silent whilst the Hamas group was digging tunnels, storage of the above Iranian supplied weapons as a silent consent to Hamas in their actions. This after all that time, not once notifying Israeli authority's. It is in this manner that for the most part, these Palestinians are responsible for their own plight. If to survive it is not good to play along with the devil.

It is the intention of the Iranian government under Ayatollah Khamenei of domination of the Middle East this side of territory occupied by the Saudi Governments. The action first is to remove all American armed forces from the Middle East, then once they {Iran Government} have completed enough nuclear weapons to then remove Israel out of the Middle East by force of destruction.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/disguised-oppression-the-apartheid-of-arab-states-towards-palestinians/

Karl

[Jaga]

Pieter, thanks for posts showing the current situation in Gaza.

Karl, I am not sure you can make the whole nation guilty of what happened in Iraq, even if this is true. Palestinians are Shia like Iranians and majority of people in Iraq. This does not make them guilty since birth more than any other people.

When I was in Israel our guide was a Palestinian Christian. Very nice guy, Palestinian and Christian.

[Jaga]

This is a post from The Times of Israel about tragic situation in Rafah. Israel allows this to happen.

www.timesofisrael.com/un-warns-gazas-rafah-a-pressure-cooker-of-despair-17k-kids-separated-from-families/

UN: Gaza’s Rafah is ‘pressure cooker of despair’; 17,000 kids separated from families
Agencies say civilian costs continue to grow; more than half of Gaza’s 2.3 million people are sheltering in and around Rafah, the final major area where IDF has yet to tackle Hamas
By REUTERS and TOI STAFF


The comments come as Israel prepares to advance its war on Gaza farther south, close to the Egyptian border, where most Gazans have sought refuge from the Israeli offensive.

“I want to emphasize our deep concern about the escalation of hostilities in Khan Younis, which has resulted in an increase in the number of internally displaced people seeking refuge in Rafah in recent days,” said Jens Laerke, spokesperson for the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

More than half of Gaza’s 2.3 million people are sheltering in the Rafah area, mainly cold and hungry in makeshift tents and public buildings.

Israel is continuing to hunt Hamas’s leadership in the area, believed to be hiding deep within the vast tunnel network the terror group dug under the Strip, which military officials assess runs for hundreds of miles.

“Rafah is a pressure cooker of despair, and we fear for what comes next,” Laerke said.

Gaza residents have said Israeli forces pounded areas around hospitals in Khan Younis, and stepped up attacks close to Rafah. Israel says Hamas often operates from around and within medical centers and other supposedly civilian sites.


Displaced Palestinians walk next to tents in rainy weather at a makeshift camp in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip on February 2, 2024, amid ongoing battles between Israel and Hamas. (Mohammed ABED / AFP)
“Khan Younis has also come increasingly under attack, and it’s been shocking to hear about the heavy fighting in the vicinity of the hospitals, jeopardizing the safety of medical staff, the wounded and sick, as well as thousands of internally displaced people seeking refuge there,” Laerke said. “Agencies are indeed struggling to respond under these circumstances.”

In separate comments, UNICEF said it estimated that 17,000 children in Gaza were unaccompanied or have been separated from their families during the conflict, which began on October 7 when Hamas terrorists burst into Israeli communities and slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, abducting 253 others to Gaza.

It said that nearly all children in the enclave were thought to require mental health support.

“They present symptoms like extremely high levels of persistent anxiety, loss of appetite. They can’t sleep, they have emotional outbursts or they panic every time they hear a bombing,” said Jonathan Crickx, UNICEF’s chief of communication for the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

“Before this war, UNICEF was considering already that 500,000 children were in need of mental health and psychosocial support in Gaza. Today, we estimate that almost all children are in need of that support, and that’s more than 1 million children,” he said.

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant vowed Thursday that the Israeli military will reach and dismantle Hamas’s Rafah Brigade, just as it is currently working to do to Hamas’s battalions in the Khan Younis area.

[Jaga]

Karl,

first of all did you hear about Nakba? That means forced replacement of 700 thousands Palestinians from what is today Israel?
news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136662
How would you feel if you would be one of these Palestinians that were forced to move out and lose the land and house?

+++It must be reminded of the past treachery committed by large numbers of Palestinians in the past that has not escaped the attention of surrounding Arab states in as well as this current situation. In year 1991, a large population was living in Kuwait under the rule of the Kuwait family, then of that year, was the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait by the Iraqi ruler, Saddam Hussein.+++

Karl, I guess, after Nakba many Palestinians ended up in diaspora. Just like Jews before WW II. Just like Jews, Palestinians not necessarily were the most loyal to their countries. These were not Palestinians that attacked Kuwait but Saddan Hussein. If there were some supporting him - this might be from religious reasons.

As you said- they were repelled to Jordan and then from Jordan.

If these were Jews, they would claim that it was antisemitism that caused their fate. But as you said PALESTINIAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE MISTREATED AND KILLED in DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT BECAUSE THEY BEAR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR PAST BEHAVIOR? SO ISRAEL KILLING 30 TH people mainly children is completely justified and even necessary? I am very puzzled by blaming Palestinian people who do not have statehood for years for all the misery.

Is there any good Palestinian person, or the only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian?

Feb 2, 2024 16:32:14 GMT -7 karl said:

Pieter and Jaga

Speaking only by and for myself, I am very prolife to a great extent and feel badly for the current plight of the Palestinian people. With this said, personally I do not know any Palestinian people but have good friends in Kuwait which I do care a great deal of. I am not in any manner a crusader of human rights, but a realist of facts past and present, with this, to only make this reply once as this topic contains a great deal of emotional value that overtakes reality.

It must be reminded of the past treachery committed by large numbers of Palestinians in the past that has not escaped the attention of surrounding Arab states in as well as this current situation. In year 1991, a large population was living in Kuwait under the rule of the Kuwait family, then of that year, was the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait by the Iraqi ruler, Saddam Hussein. Mr. Hussein at that time owed considerable large Kuwaiti loans which he was unable to repay, for he had spent the loans on Russian weapons and tanks. This then coupled with the discovered issue of cross drilling from Kuwait territory into Iraqi oil fields which then was an excuse for a quick invasion of Kuwait, capture of oil fields owned by the Kuwait ruling family. But this was foiled by the likewise American invasion of Iraq by request of the Kuwait family. Whilst though of this, the situation was deemed by the large number of resident Palestina's who openly welcomed the Iraqi invasion resulting for their mass expulsion out of Kuwait to Jordan, where they were then expelled out of Jordan by the Jordanian king as unwelcomed guest.

Once again the Palestinian people have repeated this very similar tactic now of keeping silent all these very months of the Hamas buildup of Iranian weapons, supplies and rockets. With this, to stay silent whilst the Hamas group was digging tunnels, storage of the above Iranian supplied weapons as a silent consent to Hamas in their actions. This after all that time, not once notifying Israeli authority's. It is in this manner that for the most part, these Palestinians are responsible for their own plight. If to survive it is not good to play along with the devil.

It is the intention of the Iranian government under Ayatollah Khamenei of domination of the Middle East this side of territory occupied by the Saudi Governments. The action first is to remove all American armed forces from the Middle East, then once they {Iran Government} have completed enough nuclear weapons to then remove Israel out of the Middle East by force of destruction.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/disguised-oppression-the-apartheid-of-arab-states-towards-palestinians/

Karl