Scholz, Macron, Tusk meet in Berlin to discuss Ukraine

[Jaga]

Tusk had to go to Berlin just after visit to the US. He was brought by Schultz to discuss Ukraine matters with him and Macron. I am glad that Poland is a valuable member of the alliance: France-Germany-Poland

sg.news.yahoo.com/scholz-macron-tusk-meet-berlin-145932856.html
you can see them walking along the red carpet

Instead, French President Emmanuel Macron's refusal to rule out deploying Western troops to Ukraine triggered a dressing down from Scholz, highlighting long-running divisions between the European Union's two top powers.

The European spat comes as U.S. support for Ukraine is also weakening, highlighting a Western leadership vacuum that risks further emboldening Russian President Vladimir Putin, say diplomats.

Franco-German spats are nothing new. But the current level of discord has alarmed officials in Kyiv and across the continent.

[pieter]

Weimar Triangle



The Weimar Triangle (French: Triangle de Weimar; German: Weimarer Dreieck; Polish: Trójkąt Weimarski) is a regional alliance of France, Germany, and Poland created in 1991 in the German city of Weimar. The group is intended to promote co-operation between the three countries in cross-border and European issues.

It exists mostly in the form of summit meetings between the leaders of the three countries, and of their foreign ministers. The collaboration between member states includes inter-parliamentary contacts, military, scientific and cultural co-operation.

[pieter]

[pieter]

[karl]

Jaga

This spat between Mr. Macron and Chanceller Scholz is one of a temporary issue that will be resolved in short time. But, this situational forever war between Russia and Ukraine it appears to be one of continuation as long as quite very expensive weapons are being supplied by Western sources. This war as it is, should be for Mr. Zelenskyy to send out to Mr. Putin, an opportunity of Diplomatic process to at least as a beginning for peace talks.

But, as above, Mr. Zelensky has in his kraw, as long as the western powers will provide him with weapons he has no intentions' to repay, he will continue his combat fight against Russian forces. Stop the weapons, once the Ukrainian store of weapons is depleted, then will Mr. Zelensky begin to believe in the process of Diplomatic resolution. For then the vastly pricy process will begin of rebuilding war time damaged of civilian cities. Then of course will come the question of who will pay for war damages the Ukrainian population have suffered from.

Karl

[Jaga]

Hello Karl, wars are always detrimental. NATO would not provide weapons to Ukraine if Putin would not attack Ukraine. Do you believe that Putin has any rational excuse and justification to invade Ukraine?

I think that it was Russia that started this war, but if you believe differently please let us know your reasons.

[karl]

Mar 18, 2024 20:19:09 GMT -7 Jaga said:

Hello Karl, wars are always detrimental. NATO would not provide weapons to Ukraine if Putin would not attack Ukraine. Do you believe that Putin has any rational excuse and justification to invade Ukraine?

I think that it was Russia that started this war, but if you believe differently please let us know your reasons.

Jaga

My self-have no argument of your belief as you are very correct, that Mr. Putin did indeed start this war with Ukraine. It is though somewhat complicated in actual cause, for it combines with some factors of history and with encroachment of NATO backed USA ambitions of winning an idealistic war against Russia on paper. This as an important factor of Russian history and Russian fears of being surrounded by both possible and actual enemies such as NATO encroachment represents.

For as above, it is well known of my personal distrust of Ukraine from its very bad history of corruption and a very poor trade partnership. But all the while, a breadbasket of graine exports to several African states in need.

Of my various views of Russia and Mr. Putin in no manners or ways is to defend the actions of military invasion for Mr. Putin will have to speak for himself. But, whilst as above, Russia has in past been an excellent partner in trade of German manufactured products in exchange for energy import and raw materials needed for manufacturing. This is now history and at present a prime cause of our various shortage of reasonable priced imported energy. For as with now a loss of a past valuable trade partner that Russia in past represented all due to a successful propaganda programme and American backed advancement of NATO.

For as above, please do not believe my post responses represent anti-American for this would be certainly not true. My replies' are against the foreign policy that is practiced by the American Government that is not in the good health of Europe.

It is a great deal better to make a friend then to create an enemy.

For as above, perhaps myself am on the wrong book and wrong page, but I do not believe so.

The following url is a professional history of Russian/Ukraine situation and reasons of this Russian/Ukrainian conflict.

www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine

Karl

[JustJohn or JJ]

Well, I do remember the Cuban missile crisis.

When it was all said and done, Russia removed the nukes from Cuba and we removed our missiles from Turkey. Everyone was smiling.

Why could we not placed Ukraine in this position and make her NATO and nuke free? But of course Kaliningrad would be a sticking point.

[JustJohn or JJ]

I have another question. Does that part of Ukraine that Russia controls and wants actually agriculture land predominately?

 

[Jaga]

Pieter, thank you for adding wonderful graphics and maps to this thread about Weimar triangle

[Jaga]

Hello Karl,

thank you for your thorough explanation and a different perspective. Yesterday I listened to Jeffrey Sachs, a famous economist who helped transfer Polish economy to free market. He is critical towards Ukraine justifying Russian invasion, but he does not support Israel in its mission to get rid of Palestinians.
I read the article that you provided and it is critical towards Russia as well. The author states that the history of Russia and Ukraine is entangled and complicated, that Russia always wanted to control Ukraine therefore it is against Ukraine joining NATO. It also talks about Ukraine corruption a bit. Still, there was no reason, except Russia feeling superior to invade another country.