kanga
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Post by kanga on Jan 14, 2008 20:13:54 GMT -7
After watching Frontline a segment on Dick Cheney, how could anybody be proud of being American. I just hope that justice catches up on him and the rest of his cronies, they are no better than the Nazi's and soviets under Stalin. Sorry to offend but truth sometimes hurts.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 14, 2008 21:25:10 GMT -7
Kanga,
This again, is the slanted press, not many fact, but what they want you to think. And, yes, I am very proud to be a AMERICAN, and more so, a POLISH AMERICAN. You say the truth hurts, but is it the truth?
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by freetobe on Jan 14, 2008 21:30:34 GMT -7
kanga, Dick Cheney as a person is not representative of America and more specifically Americans. I remain proud to be an American of Polish parents. I daresay citizens in other countries that are appalled by the policies of their elected officials feel nationalistic but do not support the policies of their government. Unfortunately, during the last 8+ years, the right wing conservatives, evangelicals and anyone who jumped on their bandwagon came to personify what is America. Let me tell you, that is not America or Americans. We are the most diversified nation in the world Like you Aussies, we cherish our freedom. Please don't trash all Americans because some of our people were taken in by charlatons.
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kanga
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Post by kanga on Jan 14, 2008 21:32:05 GMT -7
Kanga, This again, is the slanted press, not many fact, but what they want you to think. And, yes, I am very proud to be a AMERICAN, and more so, a POLISH AMERICAN. You say the truth hurts, but is it the truth? Michael Dabrowski Sorry, I beg to differ, frontline is a respected programme.. Have you seen the documentary?
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Mary
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Post by Mary on Jan 14, 2008 21:41:45 GMT -7
Kanga,
I have always been proud to be an American. No matter who...one other person does not represent all of America or Americans.
I did not care at all for Nixon or Clinton.... BUT, they were my presidents and I must respect that the majority elected them. This is the democratic process.
We Americans have a right to be proud and to love our country. One person, like him or not, does not define our nation as a whole.
Mary
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kanga
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Post by kanga on Jan 14, 2008 21:42:42 GMT -7
kanga, Dick Cheney as a person is not representative of America and more specifically Americans. I remain proud to be an American of Polish parents. I daresay citizens in other countries that are appalled by the policies of their elected officials feel nationalistic but do not support the policies of their government. Unfortunately, during the last 8+ years, the right wing conservatives, evangelicals and anyone who jumped on their bandwagon came to personify what is America. Let me tell you, that is not America or Americans. We are the most diversified nation in the world Like you Aussies, we cherish our freedom. Please don't trash all Americans because some of our people were taken in by charlatons. The Aussies and the Yanks have a lot in common, thanks for the assurances..When you see the likes of Cheney you just ask the question why was this allowed to happen!
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kanga
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Post by kanga on Jan 14, 2008 22:37:45 GMT -7
Kanga, I have always been proud to be an American. No matter who...one other person does not represent all of America or Americans. I did not care at all for Nixon or Clinton.... BUT, they were my presidents and I must respect that the majority elected them. This is the democratic process. We Americans have a right to be proud and to love our country. One person, like him or not, does not define our nation as a whole. Mary Sorry to hear those type of comments, was it not Edmund Burke the Irish philosopher who once said "all that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed was for enough good men to remain silent" I'm afraid this is true in the United States as was the case in Germany prior to 1939. Most Americans are just normal living people. American foreign policy is evil, I hear people say on this forum that America is the protector of democracy, what rubbish, America will only protect those countries it sees has a strategic or economic interest. The war in Iraq was nothing more than a grab for oil and protection of the American dollar. What occurred in Vietnam is another example..
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Post by valpomike on Jan 15, 2008 8:00:15 GMT -7
kanga,
If we only wanted the oil, why are we not getting it now? Never compare Germany prior to 1939 to the U.S.A. We are the protector of the world democracy, and hope will allways be. What is the example of Vietnam? We had to cut and run, like many want us to do now, and we want to stay and get the job done.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by Jaga on Mar 12, 2008 23:20:25 GMT -7
Some people speculate that the resignation of gen Falcon may put us closer to Iran's attack, especially since Cheney is so obsessed with it. here is more: Adm. Fallon, 63, famously said that an attack on Iran would not happen "on my watch," and is widely believed to have already threatened, along with a number of other top generals and admirals, to quit the service if the Bush administration were to launch an air attack on Iran.Put the pieces together. We know that the vice president is obsessed with a desire to attack Iran, and has been since before he even took office. Bush has repeatedly stressed that Iran cannot be permitted to continue with its nuclear processing (he calls it their "nukular" bomb program, though there is no evidence that the country has a nuclear bomb development program, and in fact the last National Intelligence Estimate on Iran said there was not and hadn't been since 2003). And Fallon has now quit. The Eisenhower nuclear aircraft carrier strike force has departed for stationing off Iran, joining forces already in place there, and loaded to the brim with strike aircraft, Tomahawk missiles, and even nuclear weapons. It was long ago reported that stealth bombers had been put in place in come of the countries of the old Soviet Union north of Iran, as well as on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. All the elements, that is to say, are in place for a massive air assault on Iranian targets, designed to destroy its nuclear program, cripple its military command and control, and--at least this is a stated Cheney goal--to lead to the overthrow of the Iranian government by its own people. It is, of course, the strategy of madmen. The US has no forces to send into Iran. All they can do is bomb it. And bombing a country doesn't lead its people to rise up. It leads them to rally 'round the flag. Especially when the civilian casualties of our not-so-"smart" bombs start to soar.If such an attack were to happen, we can kiss goodbye to six years of domestic peace, such as we've had. The Iranians have considerable capability to inflict damage on US targets of interest, both overseas and here in the domestic US using assymetrical warfare techniques. The worse part is, they'd be completely justified in doing so, since any attack on them would be a crime against peace--the gravest of all international crimes. American troops already mired and pinned down in a war in Iraq, would find themselves suddenly under attack by Shia forces there, who for several years now have been largely leaving them alone. And oil, which just bumped up against $110 a barrel, an all-time record, will double in price overnight, as the whole Persian Gulf becomes a war zone. We can expect massive launches of small boats armed with missiles and torpedoes, as well as sophisticated anti-ship missiles from shore batteries, all fired at US ships in the Gulf, and it would be astounding if some or even many vessels of the US fleet weren't sunk. Meanwhile, tanker traffic in the Gulf, which accounts for 20% or more of the world's oil, will cease as insurance rates for those vessels goes through the roof. The monster of war will be unleashed, and will not easily be defeated. That's why Adm. Fallon was so opposed to the whole idea. He knows that it will be a disaster for the US militarily, economically and politically. The worst part is that Cheney knows this, too. He just doesn't care. This is the man's parting shot as he leaves office--to put the country into the throes of a war so vicious that no one will think of pursuing him for his long list of crimes against the nation and the Constitution. He is guessing--and he may be right--that the American public will, sheep-like as always, rally to the cause, with a new round of yellow magnet "ribbons" on their cars. He is hoping--and he may be right--that war will be a boon for the candidacy of Republican John McCain and for embattled Republicans running for Congress. It's a kind of political Hail Mary. from: www.inteldaily.com/?c=173&a=5479
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Post by kaima on Mar 13, 2008 1:21:01 GMT -7
Thank God one of the generals has finally shown the cajonas to speak out, however cautiously while still in uniform. All we need is another disasterous and pointless war for this nation! All it cost him was perhaps $5000 of his $130000 a year pension, and he still gets to hold onto his benefits. Any attempt to give 25% of his benefits to the average American would be beaten down as a communist plot! In any case, it is nice to see a truly patriotic act; we need another dozen generals to follow suit.
Too bad we don't impeach for cowardice and false wars instead of sex scandals, we would be rid of Bush and Cheney already.
Kai
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