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Post by Jaga on Jan 5, 2008 18:17:59 GMT -7
A wall of the medieval Teutonic castle in Gizycko, northern Poland, has collapsed. If this historic building is not properly secured in the nearest future, the heavy snowfall may results in its complete collapse.
“Almost an entire wall has collapsed. The present owners, who bought the medieval castle sometime around mid-2007, have, as of yet, not performed any conservatory works”, said Waclaw Strazewicz, head of local authorities.
Strazewicz, who is appalled at the present state of affairs, adds there is not much the authorities can do. They neither have the funds to expropriate the present owners, nor those necessary for the castle’s maintenance.
The castle is the most precious place of historic interest in Gizycko and one of 46 castles in the former Teutonic state. It has been neglected for tens of years now.
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Post by joyce on Jan 10, 2008 18:58:44 GMT -7
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Post by kaima on Jan 11, 2008 7:27:00 GMT -7
Ahh ... what burden of taxes is justified in keeping old historic relics that have outlived their times? That is a tough question, and one that I looked at long ago after visiting Europe. I did not envy them the self-chosen burden of keeping all that old stuff in good condition. My personal choice would be to be VERY selective in what was preserved. We should not burden ourselves too much with the past.
Yes, this is not a popular idea, as people love to see the old stuff. Now would you like to visit ten old Polish castles if they had to charge you $100 for each visit? Is that worth it to you? Then why should the local people be expected to pay for that upkeep, and thus lower their won standard of living?
Tough questions they are, and no one-answer-fits-all.
Kai
cut taxes and let the castles fall.
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Post by Mary on Jan 11, 2008 8:44:22 GMT -7
Ahh ... what burden of taxes is justified in keeping old historic relics that have outlived their times? That is a tough question, and one that I looked at long ago after visiting Europe. I did not envy them the self-chosen burden of keeping all that old stuff in good condition. My personal choice would be to be VERY selective in what was preserved. We should not burden ourselves too much with the past. Yes, this is not a popular idea, as people love to see the old stuff. Now would you like to visit ten old Polish castles if they had to charge you $100 for each visit? Is that worth it to you? Then why should the local people be expected to pay for that upkeep, and thus lower their won standard of living? Tough questions they are, and no one-answer-fits-all. Kai cut taxes and let the castles fall. Kai, Do they have Historical Societies or Preservation groups in Poland like they do here in the states? If so, what do they do towards the preservation of these old castles? Can funds be raised that way and with a small admittance fee? This is how many historical buildings have been saved here, although not all.... Maybe being selective as you said is a necessity to preserve the best/most historical, rather than letting them all fall down. Mary |
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Post by bescheid on Jan 11, 2008 8:55:07 GMT -7
I do agree with the assessment of Kai, for in spite of the emotional appeal of these historic monuments or as in the case of {wrecks}, they have served the purpose they were built for.
In the case as this, the structure was purchased by private funds and is owned and controled privateley. It need be to the owners to either fix and repair, or face penalities of maintaining and creating a public hazard with keeping of said structure.
Fix it, or remove it.
{I am unsure of Polish law, is it allowable for public funding to be expended upon private propertie?}
Charles
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Post by valpomike on Jan 11, 2008 9:28:21 GMT -7
We need do all we can to help keep the historic castle in tact, if we can. I would send money to help.
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Post by Mary on Jan 11, 2008 9:39:10 GMT -7
I do agree with the assessment of Kai, for in spite of the emotional appeal of these historic monuments or as in the case of {wrecks}, they have served the purpose they were built for. In the case as this, the structure was purchased by private funds and is owned and controled privateley. It need be to the owners to either fix and repair, or face penalities of maintaining and creating a public hazard with keeping of said structure. Fix it, or remove it. {I am unsure of Polish law, is it allowable for public funding to be expended upon private propertie?} Charles Charles, You are right (I think), and I had forgotten this particular castle is privately owned. In this case the only hope (if it works like here in the states) would be to deed it to the state for preservation. Otherwise all the burden of repairs falls on the owners, as it should be. Mary |
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Post by bescheid on Jan 11, 2008 12:03:35 GMT -7
I do agree with the assessment of Kai, for in spite of the emotional appeal of these historic monuments or as in the case of {wrecks}, they have served the purpose they were built for. In the case as this, the structure was purchased by private funds and is owned and controlled privately. It need be to the owners to either fix and repair, or face penalties of maintaining and creating a public hazard with keeping of said structure. Fix it, or remove it. {I am unsure of Polish law, is it allowable for public funding to be expended upon private property?} Charles Charles, You are right (I think), and I had forgotten this particular castle is privately owned. In this case the only hope (if it works like here in the states) would be to deed it to the state for preservation. Otherwise all the burden of repairs falls on the owners, as it should be. Mary Mary I have seen this work as in Canada with the doukabour farm typen multilevel buildings and farm works. The B.C. provincial government would accept the properties for as a national historical monument for preservation. Then hire out, some of the doukabour people as for hire care takers of the property. For in this instance, it is a win-win proposition. The property is kept as a national inheritance, and at similar, kept in repair and preservation by the same people that were of the original. {do I appear as stupid in attempting to transfer my proper thoughts here?} Charles |
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Post by Mary on Jan 11, 2008 12:16:14 GMT -7
Charles, You are right (I think), and I had forgotten this particular castle is privately owned. In this case the only hope (if it works like here in the states) would be to deed it to the state for preservation. Otherwise all the burden of repairs falls on the owners, as it should be. Mary Mary I have seen this work as in Canada with the doukabour farm typen multilevel buildings and farm works. The B.C. provincial government would accept the properties for as a national historical monument for preservation. Then hire out, some of the doukabour people as for hire care takers of the property. For in this instance, it is a win-win proposition. The property is kept as a national inheritance, and at similar, kept in repair and preservation by the same people that were of the original. {do I appear as stupid in attempting to transfer my proper thoughts here?} Charles You don't appear stupid at all, I understand completely what you said and it makes sense! Mary |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 11, 2008 14:47:07 GMT -7
ONCE IT IS GONE, IT WILL BE NO MORE!
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Post by joyce on Jan 12, 2008 3:26:29 GMT -7
forgive my broken links in my post the correct link is www.decaturtx.org/history.htmlThese buildings have all been preserved as historical. They all still stand altho the old stone prison, 3rd picture down is in need of repair. Except for the wooden cabin, all the buildings are in use by local government. |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 12, 2008 8:30:14 GMT -7
Mary,
Than the government should take over this castle, and take care of it, it is a landmark.
Michael Dabrowski
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