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Post by livia on Dec 23, 2007 12:32:22 GMT -7
Joyce and Valpomike, buildings tend to be dense in Poland but we usually have some green in between too. As an example let me present my neighbourhood. There're even my windows there   |
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Post by ioana on Dec 23, 2007 12:36:36 GMT -7
I presented the photos because: 1. I liked them.2. To show how Poland is changing, this amazing gap between boring drab socialist architecture and modern one. ;D Me too! And: "Na prawo most, na lewo most, a do³em Wis³a p³ynie
Tu roœnie dom, tam roœnie dom
Z godziny na godzinê....."Everything changes. Nice work Pawian, verrrrry nice .. pzdr:D |
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Post by valpomike on Dec 23, 2007 12:42:40 GMT -7
Livia,
I have been to Poland a few times, and am going again next year, for another month or longer. Your photo's again, tell me, why I love Poland so much. Thank you again, keep it up.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by bescheid on Dec 23, 2007 13:27:03 GMT -7
Ok herr Pawian Am a deplorable Kraut to be impressed with the impressible with impressible structures of you your Poland? so what? we have so long past of Hamburg-Berlin far surpassed this! Our world has far long past been far in advanced of this. What have you to offer of what we do not have? Charles or {Karl} Charles. We certainly don't have something you personally have to offer. A problem with your nationality. Which seems to tower here like a lighthouse in Rozewie over Morze Bałtyckie ;D ;D ;D Livia Yes of course I agree, I am very deplorable for some times. Please not to be cross with me even though I do deserve such.. For Pawian is is describing your country to those not there, for he is so doing with very excellent photo journalism. I am not attempting to run down your country of the various towns and cities, for I know and understand, not every thing may have the luxury of being modern and new.. My self, I am not impressed with even our olden towns of narrow alley ways used as motorways. I hate even to operate my vehicle over some of the rattle bones stone paving. Our early buildings as of yours, are built with use of stone to last for ever. And you are not responsible for the Soviet example of dreary with out imagination architecture. I think perhaps what I detest most, is the use of our countries as tourist icons of romantic country side, with castles and wine yards with romantic rivers, wonderful romantic Inns and {much tourist money to line the pocket with} we are not a zoo for the foreign public to pay for a look at. Livia, this is my prime complaint. Nothing to do with you or any that Pawian present for he has done a wonderful work with his presentations. Livia, is there of any sense you make of this of me? Charles |
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Post by valpomike on Dec 24, 2007 8:53:37 GMT -7
Charles,
Your people burnt down a good part of our Poland, and some of us can not forgive. And the many lifes that were taken by your people. This is a great hurt, that the Germans just don't understand, or want to.
But Merry Christmas, to you, I think you did not do this.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by joyce on Dec 24, 2007 14:49:24 GMT -7
"buildings tend to be dense in Poland but we usually have some green in between too. As an example let me present my neighbourhood. There're even my windows there."
Livia. I like your part of town. It does have some green as you mentioned. I am fond of green-rather trees, bushes, parks, etc. I am not a city dweller and never have been. Alot of Pawain's city pictures give me the feeling of being crowded. I know it's not any different than say in the United States-in New York or New Jersey, where the homes/town houses
(row houses)-well you can see into the next door neighbor's living room.
It has been interesting to look at the construction of homes or flats that look so similar to each other. Are most of the homes constructed in the same style-tall with high pitched roofs? Are there any homes that are considered one level "ranch" style?
Are the taxes on your homes expensive?
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Post by joyce on Dec 24, 2007 14:59:30 GMT -7
Charles, Your people burnt down a good part of our Poland, and some of us can not forgive. And the many lifes that were taken by your people. This is a great hurt, that the Germans just don't understand, or want to. But Merry Christmas, to you, I think you did not do this. Michael Dabrowski I am not trying to cause an into argument, but I don't think that Charles had anything to do with what happened in Poland many years ago. To slam "his people" or to hold a grudge because of "his people" did this or that, is silly. It would be the same thing if I held a grudge against all Japanese people for bombing Pearl Harbor-which happened many years ago. We need to understand why things like this happened, and then take measures to prevent it from happening again-not only in our lifetime, but for our future generations. Getting off my soap box now...  |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 25, 2007 8:02:05 GMT -7
Pawian,
I certainly agree that the blocks of flats built by the Communists are ugly, but were they built to counteract the homelessness caused by WWII? Or is that a misconception on my part?
Also, the image where you asked "Flooded town?" looks to me like some crop is being grown there. I have no idea what crop it might be, but in my area of the US cranberries are grown and just prior to harvesting, they flood the bogs and they look almost exactly like that image.
Am I close?
Jeanne
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Post by Pawian on Dec 25, 2007 10:35:43 GMT -7
Pawian, I certainly agree that the blocks of flats built by the Communists are ugly, but were they built to counteract the homelessness caused by WWII? Or is that a misconception on my part? Yes, blocks of flats were built by the state to aleviate the problem of housing after WW2 when some cities and most villages were burnt to the ground. In the communist system people were too poor to build their own houses so the "caring" state lent a hand. Unfortunately, the baby boom which started in 50s and continued till late 80s complicated things a lot. There were never enough flats although in the peak 70s they built 300.000 flats a year. The average waiting time to get a state flat was about 20 (twenty!) years in crisis years of 80s. It didn`t help much that on average people had to pay only about 25% of the real value for their flats. The shortage has gradually decreased but still about 1.5 million people today have to live with their parents because there aren`t enough houses or flats. Mind, it isn`t the problem of money which can be borrowed but the insufficient amount of flats available on the market. I don`t know. I found this picture accidentally while looking for city aerial views. I posted it as a joke. It reminds me of some Asian rice fields. |
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Post by justjohn on Dec 26, 2007 5:18:25 GMT -7
Charles, Your people burnt down a good part of our Poland, and some of us can not forgive. And the many lifes that were taken by your people. This is a great hurt, that the Germans just don't understand, or want to. But Merry Christmas, to you, I think you did not do this. Michael Dabrowski I am not trying to cause an into argument, but I don't think that Charles had anything to do with what happened in Poland many years ago. To slam "his people" or to hold a grudge because of "his people" did this or that, is silly. It would be the same thing if I held a grudge against all Japanese people for bombing Pearl Harbor-which happened many years ago. We need to understand why things like this happened, and then take measures to prevent it from happening again-not only in our lifetime, but for our future generations. Getting off my soap box now... I'll get on that soap box now!!! On this matter, I agree with your opinions 100% Joyce. Charles had nothing to do with it. |
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Post by rdywenur on Dec 26, 2007 6:05:41 GMT -7
And I third it. I also think it is highly rude to even say something like that statement and quite unappropriate. But then I will consider the source and am not surprised.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 26, 2007 7:39:42 GMT -7
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Post by Pawian on Dec 26, 2007 7:44:43 GMT -7
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Post by Pawian on Dec 26, 2007 7:48:44 GMT -7
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Post by bescheid on Dec 26, 2007 7:49:38 GMT -7
Dear Friends
Thank you for the very respectful and kind words. I do appreciate your kindness. For we are of a small village here, and as so, on occasion we do have our disagreements, for this is normal, for we are people.
As my self, I realize my imperfections and try to deal with them {not always with success}. I have committed many actions in the past of that I am not proud and will live with it.
But not of those actions of Michaels description. I have little idea of Michaels minds set, but am not angered at him. It is simply my wish for him to settle in with a more logical order of thinking, for to add with quality contributions, I am confident, he is very capable of.
Thank You My Friends
Charles
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