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Jan 18, 2008 19:30:57 GMT -7
Post by valpomike on Jan 18, 2008 19:30:57 GMT -7
To all,
I have told, that I am upsetting many in this group. If this be the case, I am sorry. I like this group, since by it, I learned many things. I love Poland, and her people, and don't like anyone who all ways finds fault with her. I also, think, most things have two sides, and I just post my side, who is to say, which side is correct. What will I need do to get in good grace with all again. Please let me know, since, I want to be a part of the group. Again, I am sorry for upsetting any one. I know I am new here, but please give me a chance, you could end up thinking different of me, when you get to know me.
Michael Dabrowski
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Jan 19, 2008 0:04:04 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Jan 19, 2008 0:04:04 GMT -7
Hello Michael, all of us are here to learn and to share what we know about Poland. We are happy always to welcome new members. We want to treat them with respect and we would like to be treated with respect. It is important to realize that each country and each culture have its own traditions and something which may be strange to us, is OK for these other folks and vice versa. On the other hand, there are many universal truths. We all need to respect each other independing on our background. A person from one country and nationality does not represent this country as a whole and is not guilty of this country past. So, I guess, the most important is to have an open mind (you were telling us to have open mind, try to keep an open mind also). It is also important to use logic, analysis and examples instead of expressing just arbitrary views about some subjects. Then everybody will be happy and we will discuss things and problems like in the past. The world, history and politics is rarely black and white, there are many shades or grey in the real world
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Jan 19, 2008 8:26:40 GMT -7
Post by bescheid on Jan 19, 2008 8:26:40 GMT -7
Hello Michael, all of us are here to learn and to share what we know about Poland. We are happy always to welcome new members. We want to treat them with respect and we would like to be treated with respect. It is important to realize that each country and each culture have its own traditions and something which may be strange to us, is OK for these other folks and vice versa. On the other hand, there are many universal truths. We all need to respect each other independing on our background. A person from one country and nationality does not represent this country as a whole and is not guilty of this country past. So, I guess, the most important is to have an open mind (you were telling us to have open mind, try to keep an open mind also). It is also important to use logic, analysis and examples instead of expressing just arbitrary views about some subjects. Then everybody will be happy and we will discuss things and problems like in the past. The world, history and politics is rarely black and white, there are many shades or grey in the real world Thank you Jaga You have my very heartfelt thank you for your insightful and accurate analysis of success. Of late, my patience has thinned immensely and I do not trust my decisions in moments of anger. It is with my best wishes and hope, this fellow will follow your advice and instructions. In as much, with your instructions, will be the roadway to success. Then let him surprise us with his success. Charles
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Jan 19, 2008 10:53:48 GMT -7
Post by justjohn on Jan 19, 2008 10:53:48 GMT -7
Charles and Jaga,
I agree whole heartedly !!!!
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Jan 20, 2008 5:43:34 GMT -7
Post by Pawian on Jan 20, 2008 5:43:34 GMT -7
OK, there are reasons for Mike to apologise, yes.
But on the other hand he shouldn`t exaggerate with cutting down on humour. I don`t want this forum to be so serious.
Mike, the biggest problem was that your jokes were directed only to one person - Charles.
Why don`t you use your specific humour on others, e.g. me? I would be so glad! So far I have felt neglected when you addressed Charles exclusively.
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Jan 20, 2008 9:57:53 GMT -7
Post by valpomike on Jan 20, 2008 9:57:53 GMT -7
Pawian,
I love your photo's and don't want to upset you so you stop them. But if you give me a reason, I will try. Charles who? By the way, Warsaw is still great even with her bad sides. Have you ever been to Chicago, it has both good and very bad sides? It is just a hour from my home, and I get there often.
Michael Dabrowski
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Jan 20, 2008 13:28:05 GMT -7
Post by Pawian on Jan 20, 2008 13:28:05 GMT -7
Pawian, I love your photo's and don't want to upset you so you stop them. It`s not so fast. Have you ever been to Chicago, it has both good and very bad sides? It is just a hour from my home, and I get there often. Michael Dabrowski I haven` t been to Chicago but I was to NYC in 1990-91. I visited bad districts too and saw the dark side. I have nice photos of ruined factories, smeared walls and dirty subway stations, debris in back streets, burnt down houses. It was a cultural shock to me.
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Jan 20, 2008 14:45:50 GMT -7
Post by jeanne on Jan 20, 2008 14:45:50 GMT -7
I haven` t been to Chicago but I was to NYC in 1990-91. I visited bad districts too and saw the dark side. I have nice photos of ruined factories, smeared walls and dirty subway stations, debris in back streets, burnt down houses. It was a cultural shock to me. Pawian, Why was it a cultural shock to you? Was it because you never saw that in Poland or because you didn't expect to see it in the US?
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Jan 20, 2008 15:08:21 GMT -7
Post by Pawian on Jan 20, 2008 15:08:21 GMT -7
I haven` t been to Chicago but I was to NYC in 1990-91. I visited bad districts too and saw the dark side. I have nice photos of ruined factories, smeared walls and dirty subway stations, debris in back streets, burnt down houses. It was a cultural shock to me. Pawian, Why was it a cultural shock to you? Was it because you never saw that in Poland or because you didn't expect to see it in the US? I hadn`t seen such things in Poland before I went to the USA. Poland at that time was slowly recovering after the old system, everything was grey and drab but it still was looked after in some way. Poland had been poor but not too squalid duirng communism. There were no slums, beggars or the homeless in streets. American squalor in some places of NYC made a very gloomy impression on me, especially those ruined factories with scary broken windows, burnt houses and homeless men living in cardboard boxes in tunnels to subway stations, even in Downtown Manhattan.
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Jan 20, 2008 18:45:56 GMT -7
Post by jeanne on Jan 20, 2008 18:45:56 GMT -7
I hadn`t seen such things in Poland before I went to the USA. Poland at that time was slowly recovering after the old system, everything was grey and drab but it still was looked after in some way. Poland had been poor but not too squalid duirng communism. There were no slums, beggars or the homeless in streets. American squalor in some places of NYC made a very gloomy impression on me, especially those ruined factories with scary broken windows, burnt houses and homeless men living in cardboard boxes in tunnels to subway stations, even in Downtown Manhattan. Pawian, If it's any comfort to you, I also suffered cultural shock when I was a young woman and I first saw these things, and I live in the US. It's just that I had never been to a city as large as NY before. I had been to Boston, but even there the bad sections were not of the scale they are in NY. In any case I am very definitely NOT a city person, and prefer to live away from the city where there is open space and greenery. That's probably part of the reason I was so shocked by NY. Jeanne
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