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Post by Jaga on Jul 9, 2008 8:34:37 GMT -7
Because Israel and US threated Iran with attacking it. Israel had extensive military training: Last month, Israel staged a large military exercise that involved more than 100 warplanes operating over distances they would need to cover to strike Iran. The maneuvers deep over the Mediterranean were interpreted both as a warning to Tehran, and a prod to the United States and other western nations to increase pressure on Iran over its nuclear program. If it is OK for Israel to have excercises and threaten Iran, why it is NOT OK for Iran? Is there a doublestandard? I think all of us should except our friends to keep the same standards as the enemies Iran said today it had test-fired a long-range missile capable of reaching Israel and U.S. troops in the region, a step promptly condemned by the Bush administration as heightening tensions over the country's suspected nuclear weapons program. from www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/09/AR2008070900235.html?hpid=topnews |
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Post by Atlantis5 on Jul 9, 2008 10:44:59 GMT -7
Because Israel and US threated Iran with attacking it. Israel had extensive military training: Last month, Israel staged a large military exercise that involved more than 100 warplanes operating over distances they would need to cover to strike Iran. The maneuvers deep over the Mediterranean were interpreted both as a warning to Tehran, and a prod to the United States and other western nations to increase pressure on Iran over its nuclear program. If it is OK for Israel to have excercises and threaten Iran, why it is NOT OK for Iran? Is there a doublestandard?I think all of us should except our friends to keep the same standards as the enemies Iran said today it had test-fired a long-range missile capable of reaching Israel and U.S. troops in the region, a step promptly condemned by the Bush administration as heightening tensions over the country's suspected nuclear weapons program. from www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/09/AR2008070900235.html?hpid=topnewsJaga Number 1, I must apologize for some time non-contribution upon forum subjects of great interest. I will rectify these short comings that have been my path. In-as-much-as you have proposed of this double standard with Israel/America, yes how well I do agree with you. For some many years has been the double standard. Some what from ignorance and politics as played by the very strong Israeli presence in American government with associated displayed influence in their foreign policy {American}. On the one hand, in the interest of both parties {American/Israeli} it is ok for Israel to possess nuclear weapons in their military arsenal for ready use as they may will to do so. Whilst on the same token, it is not ok for in this case, a Iranian nuclear possession of this technology. The argument to sanctify this policy, is the fear of these weapons falling into hands of terrorist. But of course, tarriest are at present at the gate of nuclear access in Pakistan, but this has seemed to escape the attention of the learnt folks in Washington. The Israelis have dug their hole them selves. With belief in their own propaganda. The military is over used with their national forced induction of citizens. Solders are trained for combat duty, not police duty. In-as-such, the solders become callus and indifferent to suffering of the stated enemies of their state. With this as above, is coupled with push for more land in the territories with forced expulsion of the indigenous people from the land to be replaced with new Israeli exclusive communities. To place salt upon the wound of the expelled populations, the flagrant use of military force coupled with armoured crawler tractors is used for demolition and burial of all existing homes with military force against the expelled population. This above is a very well known fact in the Mid-East, but some how miss the attention of policy maker civilian authority in the American government. For there, there appears the long used policy of the Mid-East as of this {The enemies of my enemies are then our friends}. At present with the real and present concept regarding nuclear weapon use in the Mid-East region. Is the carry over into the oil producing regions creating a vacuum of energy resources in a currently stressed energy market. Just as some thoughts Charles |
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Post by jimpres on Jul 9, 2008 11:12:32 GMT -7
It is ok for Iran to show it's power projection in the area. Israel did now Iran is doing it. It is just blustering and posturing on the part of both.
In a few years Iran will have nuclear power.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 9, 2008 14:34:07 GMT -7
Charles, Jim, thanks for your responses. I am glad that both of you agree that there should not be a double-standard. If Israel shows its powers it is OK, if Iran it is bad.... Luckily, when I see commentaries this afternoon they are more balanced than the news in the morning: news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_missilesIran missile test sends message to US, Israel TEHRAN, Iran - Iran test-fired nine missiles Wednesday, including ones capable of hitting Israel, making a dramatic show of its readiness to strike back if the United States or Israel attacks it over its nuclear program. |
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Post by rdywenur on Jul 9, 2008 14:47:22 GMT -7
Makes me think of Nostradamus and his prediction of a great fire in that part of the world.
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Post by Atlantis5 on Jul 9, 2008 19:14:55 GMT -7
Charles, Jim, thanks for your responses. I am glad that both of you agree that there should not be a double-standard. If Israel shows its powers it is OK, if Iran it is bad.... Luckily, when I see commentaries this afternoon they are more balanced than the news in the morning: news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_missilesIran missile test sends message to US, Israel TEHRAN, Iran - Iran test-fired nine missiles Wednesday, including ones capable of hitting Israel, making a dramatic show of its readiness to strike back if the United States or Israel attacks it over its nuclear program. I am not so sure of the extent of open knowledge of the trade relationship between Iran and The United States. But it is very extensive and has been for some many years to the present. I was not to include this as it would have muddied up the stream on your presentation. Charles |
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Post by Jaga on Jul 9, 2008 22:39:07 GMT -7
Charles, I really hope that America will try to have trade relations with Iran even if Iran will not be in American interest zone. I mean, Iran will be independent and not threaten by being attacked by Israel or the US. Here is one of the less provocative comments after the missile test: U.S. Candidates Use Iran’s Missile Tests as a Chance for a Foreign Policy Debate www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/us/politics/10candidates.html?ref=usPORTSMOUTH, Ohio — Iran’s saber-rattling missile tests quickly became a flash point in the presidential election on Wednesday as Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama each seized on the tests to try to validate their differing policies on Iran. Each man spoke of the growing threat posed by Iran, and each called for tougher penalties against the country. But Mr. Obama called once again for pursuing what he called “direct and aggressive diplomacy with the Iranian regime,” while Mr. McCain warned against that approach and said that the tests highlighted the need for a missile defense system in Europe. It was a classic example of how events beyond the control of campaigns can intrude into the sometimes insular debates of a presidential race. Mr. McCain had dedicated the week to campaigning on the economy, but he tends to talk about flare-ups in the Middle East to highlight his foreign policy experience. He immediately issued a statement about the tests and ended up talking about them for much of the day. ... |
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Post by nathanael on Jul 10, 2008 15:09:50 GMT -7
First of all, Iran is strong thanks to the weakening of Iraq by the U.S. The U.S. has allowed Iran to thrive! These things happen in history all the time. What Iran is now doing, is to demonstrate its new found strength. If you get a new BMW, you want everyone to see it, especially if you live in Harlem. Iran is a threat to no one, until attacked. But Iran's new-found confidence appears threatening to Israel. Therefore, the world powers, not just the U.S. should take action to reduce Iran's self-confidence for the sake of Israel, not necessarily for the sake of Israel, but for the sake of peace in the world! If the world doesn't do it soon, through massive diplomacy and whatever other means at its disposal, another unnecessary conflict will break out in the Middle East! This is not Israel-U.S. problem: this is World's problem!
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Post by Jaga on Jul 10, 2008 23:07:28 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Jul 10, 2008 23:20:13 GMT -7
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Post by Atlantis5 on Jul 11, 2008 10:55:31 GMT -7
Jaga I was of 1st to laugh at of the irony of this, and of yet, the serious nature and associated implications in-as-much of Iran. Propaganda, or more correctly: Use of specific tailored information by systematic dissemination. Rather it is of deception is a matter of design by the originator. This type of tailored dissemination is of wide spread use for specific designs in as much to: advertising/personal resumes/government disclosures and what ever. It is so common as for the most part, un-observed for what it is, propaganda. It is to the observer as to what is believed. The use of tailored information dissemination is an important tool when used as specific. It may be of deception, or as used to provide consumptive information tailored for the understanding of a specific indigenous population of limited education. As a small example: Many black Zulu populations consisting of out district villages subsisting upon a poor agricultural base economy. These people are limited to that of what they understand off the tele {yes even with out electrical power, they will have access to television/radio} and as so, must rely upon a learnt person of their village to describe and provide an explanation in the order of understanding of others. To the educated, the information is confusing, at simular, to the poor blacks, it makes sense. So as thus above, information is tailored for understanding, whilst to some, it is propaganda. ~~~~~Kosovo information edited~~~~~~ Charles |
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Post by nathanael on Jul 17, 2008 2:43:41 GMT -7
We are told that the U.S. is to open an interest section in Tehran. I am personally gratified by this development regarding Iran. The interest sections can play a powerful role in getting two people understand each other. We just do not understand much about Iran. In the 90's, I myself have benefited from the Iranian interest section in the Pakistani embassy, when I felt a necessity to personally explain Dr. Javad Zarif, then Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations the huge difference between the Catholic idea of martyrdom and the Moslem women and children blowing up uomini bomba (human bombs). We conducted our correspondence dialogue thanks to the existence of the Iranian interest section. This is just an example how a people, Americans or Iranians, can have a say on how to breach the differences that seem unbridgeable. No question, I understand that the U.S. has some very valid grievances against Iran. But even this should not stem the dialogue! The peace of the world is more important than misgivings and animosities. A great nation like the United States must transcend the grievances of the past, and be the leader in seeking a better world through common understanding!
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Post by justjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:37:48 GMT -7
We are told that the U.S. is to open an interest section in Tehran. I am personally gratified by this development regarding Iran. The interest sections can play a powerful role in getting two people understand each other. We just do not understand much about Iran. In the 90's, I myself have benefited from the Iranian interest section in the Pakistani embassy, when I felt a necessity to personally explain Dr. Javad Zarif, then Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations the huge difference between the Catholic idea of martyrdom and the Moslem women and children blowing up uomini bomba (human bombs). We conducted our correspondence dialogue thanks to the existence of the Iranian interest section. This is just an example how a people, Americans or Iranians, can have a say on how to breach the differences that seem unbridgeable. No question, I understand that the U.S. has some very valid grievances against Iran. But even this should not stem the dialogue! The peace of the world is more important than misgivings and animosities. A great nation like the United States must transcend the grievances of the past, and be the leader in seeking a better world through common understanding! |
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