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Post by Jaga on Jul 25, 2008 21:58:09 GMT -7
... and the fact that Obama does not talk enough about it during the trip   This was the most scary thing I heard today FoxNews saying. Obama does talk to Europeans as like he was a citizen of the world. He need to show them that America is the best, that America has a supremacy over the world!!! I hate this thinking. I hate the idea that it does not matter whether the president tries to understand the world a bit since it is only America which matters. The same was in Soviet Union. Russians were convinced that they have superior rights over other nations... finally their economy collapsed because they overspent on military. |
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Post by kaima on Jul 25, 2008 23:05:56 GMT -7
... and the fact that Obama does not talk enough about it during the trip Jaga, I don't know the context from which you took that, but my immediate reaction is that we are The Big Kid on the Block, everyone knows it, and we can well afford to "Speak softly and carry a big stick". I like that style; Teddy Roosevelt came up with that one. It beats the heck out of the last 6 years with bluster of "bring them on!" while short changing the army and effectively ruining them as a force for any near future use. We have a lot of rebuilding of our defense forces at the same time we have a lot of borrowed money to pay for our past bluster. But we still have the biggest stick in the neighborhood. So we can speak softly. Kai |
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Post by Jaga on Jul 25, 2008 23:15:29 GMT -7
It was on Laura Ingram show today. She was replacing O'Reilly. I do have a fragment from the same show, but a different one.
Laura Ingram makes a point that Europeans want to see America weaker, therefore they want Obama to be the president:
Laura Ingraham: Obama's Popularity in Europe
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Post by Atlantis5 on Jul 26, 2008 7:51:49 GMT -7
It was on Laura Ingram show today. She was replacing O'Reilly. I do have a fragment from the same show, but a different one. Laura Ingram makes a point that Europeans want to see America weaker, therefore they want Obama to be the president: Laura Ingraham: Obama's Popularity in Europe For reasons of dial up, I am un-able to access the U-Tube presentation. But only of judgment of content from the above statements of {Laura Ingraham}, I must say I do dis-agree with her in a strong manner. For she is stating in effect:{ Europeans want to see America weaker}. For this is a broad over-assumptious statement of implying of all Europeans. Whilst at all times on this forum, I am not working.. My personal opinion of that of many of us, of America. We do not wish for America to be weak. What we wish for is this: For the leadership of America to speak with us for in-this-stead-of: speaking down to us. To be a partner on a more equal basis. Charles |
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 26, 2008 12:24:22 GMT -7
It was on Laura Ingram show today. She was replacing O'Reilly. I do have a fragment from the same show, but a different one. Laura Ingram makes a point that Europeans want to see America weaker, therefore they want Obama to be the president: Laura Ingraham: Obama's Popularity in Europe Jaga. please promise you won't get angry with me  Done? ok - Laura Ingram is right Europeans want to see America weaker. She only missed one word - SOME. Not getting into your America for Americans business (as Freetobe will get mad on me if I do I'd like to say I liked the point - Obama is running for the president of the wordl , while McCain for the president of US. But I understood it only as a good piece of funny satire, not politically. For me- it really doesn't matter - they are to alike. Hear, Americans?? They are A L I K E. Good luck making good choice |
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Post by Jaga on Jul 26, 2008 12:48:34 GMT -7
Not getting into your America for Americans business (as Freetobe will get mad on me if I do I'd like to say I liked the point - Obama is running for the president of the wordl , while McCain for the president of US. But I understood it only as a good piece of funny satire, not politically. For me- it really doesn't matter - they are to alike. Hear, Americans?? They are A L I K E. Good luck making good choice Hello Tufta, I am not going to beat you up for your comments. I agree that some Europeans want to see America weaker. I have one question. Did America become stronger during Bush administration? What does "strong" mean? Do we want America to be strong because it rely on military power, or we want America to be respected NOT ONLY because of military strength and the fact that everybody is AFRAID of America. |
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Post by Atlantis5 on Jul 26, 2008 15:12:25 GMT -7
Jaga As the product of my homeland, will go also my mindset. The talk so far is defeatist. We do not let the crew lament whilst the ship is listing, it is only listing, the word sinking is not valid. The order of the day is: organize, form a plan of action/execute that order into action. And that is locate the hull leak, determine extent of damage/formulate a plan of action/execute said plan into direct action. For this, the ship is the nation of America, the crew is the people, to organize, is to assemble together the technicians of progress {those of special economic skills}management staff with the Capitan as being the commander in Chief,that is the president. With the entire assembly of technical people in a central location. Storm the thoughts of each, place the viability of each plan into prospective, then chose a roadway of progress and execute it into action. A quote {Nations like people, occasionally get the blues}un-quote. www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11791539America is little different, for at the moment, there are difficulties, yes of course. But, it is not the end of the world. These situations will pass in time, if the correct action is taken. And yes, the problems of America do have an effect upon Europe. For very much of trade relations is base upon the dollar as a stable currency. It is of utmost urgency of correction. And of course, American politics are the business of Americans. What the problems are in America are not of worry in Europe, only until it brings an effect to us, then we are very concerned. For this reason, it is vastly important as who will the new American president is to be. For with this new president, a new administration will come about with a relatively unknown personality at the helm of the still mighty ship known as America. For then, a possible new foreign policy will be formulated by the new American Commander in Chief, and this will in-self have a {cause and effect} upon all of us. For at this moment a great many issues are at hand, and they require of action, not to be placed upon the back burner. There are two wars at hand that must be resolved, there are the missile sites for Poland that must find resolution for just three prime issues at hand. All these are on the clock and time is ticking. For to our East, The Federation of Russia is waiting rather with out patience. For they as many of us in the West, are waiting very hesitantly for the Americans to do their business or get off the pot and wipe. The most dangerous action to take as of now, {is to do nothing}. For our ship of this moment is only listing, if the crew laments with out action, it could sink and then be called the {ship of fools} whilst resting on the bottom. The wailing wall is fine in Jerusalem, but let us keep it there and surprise our selves with what we will do. {We is same for both Europe and America} Perhaps my words are not exactly school master correct, perhaps it is offensive to some. The primary objective, is communication and this in-self is the prime objective, as a person, I will adhere to. Charles |
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 28, 2008 2:59:32 GMT -7
Hello Tufta, I am not going to beat you up for your comments. Yes, I know Of course, the anwers are obvious. But if I would have to choose i wouldn't look at the past, but into the future. If Americans think something needs to be improved, it is not important who is guilty, but who is the most capable to do the job right. It is not President Bush who is applying for the presidency but senators McCain and Obama. I don't know which will be better especially inside America. I see good and bad points in both of these outstanding men. And I know neither of them will dramatically change US's course. I have yet to see how senator McCain does internationally but from what I can say with at least some certainity is as far international relations are concerned senator Obama has already shown he is not quite ready for the job. Here's an article I partly agree with Obama should include visit to Poland in tour Douglas Turner Updated: 07/21/08 6:37 AM WASHINGTON — When President Bush looked into the eyes of Russian President Vladimir Putin seven years ago, he said he saw Putin’s “soul.”
When Bush gazed into the face of Putin’s successor, Dmitry Medvedev, at the G-8 nations summit three weeks ago, Bush really should have seen Putin — whose real soul is that of an imperialist, czarist bear.
Putin, who remains in power as prime minister and party leader, is showing every sign of wanting to restore the Russian dominance of Eastern and Central Europe enjoyed by the Romanoff empire from the 18th century through the beginning of the 20th.
To some with more than a passing knowledge of European history, Putin’s moves are painfully similar to Adolf Hitler’s between the two world wars: Suppression
of liberty at home and belligerency against neighbors, such as Poland and Ukraine.
Putin has killed freedom of the press in Russia, and with it competitive political life.
The Putin-Medvedev regime is making blatant threats against nations the Soviet Union controlled until the collapse of Communism two decades ago.
Russia is destabilizing two democratic, pro-Western neighbors, Ukraine and Georgia, former Iron Curtain inmates that want to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
For example, Russia is encouraging two regions in Georgia to break away and will conduct military maneuvers on its border.
Poland and the Czech Republic, two other former Soviet satellites that did join NATO despite opposition from American neo-conservatives, are trying to weather new verbal and material threats from Russia.
Russia is trying to frighten Poland and the Czechs out of commitments to put up a U. S.-supplied missile defense shield that Bush, to his great credit, proposed.
Czech leaders agreed to install
an anti-missile radar system in a ceremony earlier this month. To discourage the Czech parliament from ratifying the arrangement, Russia has been cutting off the Czech oil supplies and warning of a “military” response.
Feeling the bear’s hot breath, Poland is waffling on its promise to install 10 missile-interceptor batteries, purportedly to shield Europe against Islamist rogue states.
The excuse given by Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk is that he wants more American military aid before he confronts Russia with the installation.
Thanks to $800 million in military equipment sent there by Bush, Poland is not the pushover it was in the 1930s, having been partitioned at least three time since 1774.
In a decade, Poland will have one of the most modern air forces in Europe. Yet Poland’s full participation in NATO’s missile defense program will help protect that freedom-loving nation from being victimized again, by Russian imperialism.
Poland and the Czech Republic need strong American assurance and encouragement. Bush, with just six months left, has done all he reasonably can for Central European freedom, given Russia’s nuclear stockpile.
So far, Russian aggression has been a non-issue in the presidential campaign.
There’s little doubt on what Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republicans’ probable nominee, would say about Russia.
The situation would seem to offer a matchless opportunity to the Democratic candidate, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. He’s been criticized as unsophisticated on foreign affairs and irresolute.
A trip by Obama, a listening tour, to the capitals of the Czech Republic and Poland, might stiffen their backs and add to his popularity in Great Lakes swing states, where Polish-Americans are influential.
Unfortunately, Obama will skip those troubled lands on this current European trip. He will instead do photo-ops for worshipful media in London, Paris and Berlin.
dturner@buffnews.com
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