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Post by pieter on Nov 18, 2008 16:20:20 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Nov 18, 2008 20:01:24 GMT -7
Pieter I do trust you mind not for my intrusion upon your fine presentation. For my only reason is of a bit of comment then to depart. This fellow is rather interesting. It would so seem he knows not of meaning of truth or disclosure, for many secrets reside within his head. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_BiskyThis fellow is much aged since some time past. Actually a very intelligent man, and with training, he just as it would so seem, tire of Government and doing the bidding of others. He is very well liked as a person and excellent sense of humour. It is strange for such a man, to break the ties that cared for him, then embark upon a new career that is foreign to all he knew. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_LafontaineThe following is rather dated, but provides good insight of the Linkspartei. www.signandsight.com/features/241.htmlBoth these fellows are well within their legal rights in their politics and for the most part stay within the legal boundaries in their chosen profession. But, they are aware of the surveillance afforded to them as potential threat to the protection of the constitution. It is interesting the effects of time and aging upon the very most of us... Karl |
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Post by pieter on Nov 20, 2008 8:44:41 GMT -7
Now we are in balance, first the far right (me) and the the far left (presented by you). Fortunately the majority of the Germans stil vote for the Democratic parties in the middle, the Christian-democratic CDU (centre-right), the Rightwing liberal FPO (market finance party), the Social-democratic SPD (centre-left) and the ecological leftwing Bündnis 90/Die Grünen. www.mitglied-werden.cdu.de/ (The Centre) www.spd.de/menu/-1/ (The Social Germany) www.fdp.de/ (liberal-conservative) www.gruene.de/cms/default/rubrik/0/3.htm (Green-left) |
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Post by karl on Nov 20, 2008 13:47:07 GMT -7
Now we are in balance, first the far right (me) and the the far left (presented by you). Fortunately the majority of the Germans stil vote for the Democratic parties in the middle, the Christian-democratic CDU (centre-right), the Rightwing liberal FPO (market finance party), the Social-democratic SPD (centre-left) and the ecological leftwing Bündnis 90/Die Grünen. www.mitglied-werden.cdu.de/ (The Centre) www.spd.de/menu/-1/ (The Social Germany) www.fdp.de/ (liberal-conservative) www.gruene.de/cms/default/rubrik/0/3.htm (Green-left) Pieter Yes, you do know us very well.. I was to understand very some time past, that you are far right. I have understood this for understanding of you, and this is very well ok..For as you have mentioned, we are in balance. I would only of suppose this of reason we agree so well on the various topics. As a person, I have no allowance of partie preference, must stay neutral rather it be in foreign politics or domestic, it is all the same. It is your self of being so very fortunate, for you are free to join or criticize as you see fit. A very good freedom of injoyment.. As a person, it has been of my best as in the field, for I have always felt not so well with dealing with our own citizens as the situation will call for. For whilst domestic situations in most areas are the responsibility of each enforcement agency of each specific Länder. For if they {Länder} are to forward a request of assistance, then we are called in, it then becomes disagreeable in concerns to civil disobedience and associated resolution methods. For all people have a face, and to then place the methods of force as a resolution for what ever reason, it takes a small bite out your soul. But this is part and partial of attending to the requirements of our chosen work. It has become of a change of recent. For now, if the social unrest becomes un-reasonable to the local Polizei, they have now the option of request of Federal assistance as of recent past, but, now the Bundeswehr have the option of assistance with all that is necessary for resolution of local conflict. For those forwarded to us, we used of the methods of identification/document as in Kosovo, but with out the risk of physical harm. In this manner, leadership of the opposition were identified and placed into our net for later use as the situation revolves. Karl |
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Post by pieter on Nov 20, 2008 14:22:35 GMT -7
Karl,
I you know me well I have never been far right, more leaning towards the Middle of Centre politics,
looking at things in it's historical perspective. I live in a country and an area with a lot of cultures,
the multi-cultural context of that is that there are several monocultures that live next to eachother
in my environment. You have a Dutch majority and next to that a large Turkish minority, coloured
people from the Dutch Antilles and Suriname, Maroccans, Kurds, Africans, people from the Middle
east, and German and Polsh minorities which are less visible than the other minorities, because
they look the same as Dutch people. If I were far righ, racist and xenophobe I would not be friends
with immigrants and former refugees from non-western countries. Nor I would have been interested
in their cultures and countries. I am interested. Most of my friends are Left-liberal (moderate),
Social-democratic, Green-Left, Socialist or even Anarchist. I am Independent in the Dutch sense!
I was critical towards the immigration policies of previous governments in the past decades, the lack
of integration and assimilation policies, but I am not against foreigners and refugees. In the contrary!
The failures and mistakes were mostly made by the authorities, political parties, employers, Unions
and NGO's. I am worried about elements of both the native European people as immigrant communities.
You can be critical of the migrant and refugee communities, because of their lack of integration, but
in the same time point at the failing integration and subsidairy (funding system or structure of
multi-cultural projects and organisations of migrants). Both Left and Righwing parties and movements
see that the integration policies and soft over tolerant attitude of themselves in the past decades has
created the problem of a segregated society, and several monocultures existing next to eachother
instaid of a united multi-cultural society some of them see. I don't see that Multi-cultural society!
The so called melting pot, Rainbow nation of united people and communities does not exsist!
I think communication, reaching out to eachother, gatherings between differant ethnic groups
is the mean to cross the cultural wall or separation wall that exists.
Even the Left and centre-left take a tough stance in the integration issue now, because they
know that when they don't do anything the gap between ethnic communities will grow bigger.
In that sense the situation in Germany is not that differant from the Netherlands, Belgium,
France and Denmark!
Pieter
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