Post by krupatarnawa on Feb 22, 2009 11:02:28 GMT -7
"h.Tarnawa - Krzyz i w dole pol-ksiezyc. Znak frankistow ,ktorzy
przyjeli chrzescijanstwo we Lwowie w XVlll wieku.Ich przywodca
rabi Frank przyjal najpierw religie muzulmanska.Z tad nazwa tej
grupy - "farbowane lisy".5oo rodzin tej nowej szlachty polskiej
zasililo kasy biednej szlachty polskiej wchodzac z nimi w
zwiazki malzenskie.Od tego czasu pozostala nazwa
"arystokratyczne nosy".Miasto Tarnawa lezy w obecnym
Pakistanie.Zaczynaly tu swoja podroz karawany
kupcow:Turkow,Arabow,Azerow,Chinczykow no i oczywiscie Zydow
aszkenazyjskich z przyprawami,dywanami,porcelana itd.Najnowsze
badania genetyczne stwiedrdzaja,ze Polacy maja najwiecej genow
semickich wsrod mieszkancow Europy.Ponad 75% .Jest to zwiazane z krzyzowaniem sie drog handlowych na terenie obecnej Polski."
This (above stated) is text from one of forums in Poland (Kolo Nalecz).
Indeed my extensive Y-DNA tests confirmed origin in western
Ukraine-Galitzia, among Ashkenazi Jews.
But, my family was catholic in 19th century (the far back as we
completely certainly know, in the beginning of 20th century
nobody recalled Judaism, so we wasn't sure when and how
conversion occured), with tradition to be aristocratic (and how
we entered into noble rank).
"List of Nobility of Bila Tzerkva, published in Ukraine in 2001,
indeed showed Krupa szlachta in village Bosivka near Bila
Tzerkva, again near Lvow.
Again,one of my exact 12/12 marker Y-DNA matches is from Bila
Tzerkva, with most distant known male ancestor from that place
in early 1800's!
My haplogroup test showed Q1b result which is very rare
haplogroup, but found only elsewhere on moderate level in north
Pakistan (and Ashkenazi Jews), which is again something very
misterious, as Tarnawa City is over there!)
Does anybody perhaps posses a list of converts who was adopted into rank of Szlachta in mid-18th century in Lvow or surrounding
churches?
Thank You in advance for your support and help!
przyjeli chrzescijanstwo we Lwowie w XVlll wieku.Ich przywodca
rabi Frank przyjal najpierw religie muzulmanska.Z tad nazwa tej
grupy - "farbowane lisy".5oo rodzin tej nowej szlachty polskiej
zasililo kasy biednej szlachty polskiej wchodzac z nimi w
zwiazki malzenskie.Od tego czasu pozostala nazwa
"arystokratyczne nosy".Miasto Tarnawa lezy w obecnym
Pakistanie.Zaczynaly tu swoja podroz karawany
kupcow:Turkow,Arabow,Azerow,Chinczykow no i oczywiscie Zydow
aszkenazyjskich z przyprawami,dywanami,porcelana itd.Najnowsze
badania genetyczne stwiedrdzaja,ze Polacy maja najwiecej genow
semickich wsrod mieszkancow Europy.Ponad 75% .Jest to zwiazane z krzyzowaniem sie drog handlowych na terenie obecnej Polski."
This (above stated) is text from one of forums in Poland (Kolo Nalecz).
Indeed my extensive Y-DNA tests confirmed origin in western
Ukraine-Galitzia, among Ashkenazi Jews.
But, my family was catholic in 19th century (the far back as we
completely certainly know, in the beginning of 20th century
nobody recalled Judaism, so we wasn't sure when and how
conversion occured), with tradition to be aristocratic (and how
we entered into noble rank).
"List of Nobility of Bila Tzerkva, published in Ukraine in 2001,
indeed showed Krupa szlachta in village Bosivka near Bila
Tzerkva, again near Lvow.
Again,one of my exact 12/12 marker Y-DNA matches is from Bila
Tzerkva, with most distant known male ancestor from that place
in early 1800's!
My haplogroup test showed Q1b result which is very rare
haplogroup, but found only elsewhere on moderate level in north
Pakistan (and Ashkenazi Jews), which is again something very
misterious, as Tarnawa City is over there!)
Does anybody perhaps posses a list of converts who was adopted into rank of Szlachta in mid-18th century in Lvow or surrounding
churches?
Thank You in advance for your support and help!