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Post by Jaga on Mar 11, 2009 22:27:18 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Mar 25, 2009 14:20:01 GMT -7
Jaga,
First I am suprised that the "European" countries Russia, Ukraine and Belarus
are not in the Eurobarometer poll, because it would be interestig to compare
the figures of the Baltic states with that of these states, as former Sovjet
republics. I am curious if the "low" amount of people that believe in God
in Lithuania (49%), Latvia (37%) and Estonia (16%) has to do with the
70 years of Sovjet influence, state atheism and the much old Baltic
mythology (Latvian mythology and Lithuanian mythology).
I am not suprised about the Western-European states France (the French
revolution (1789–1799), the 19th century Utopian Socialists, the Anarchist
Proudhon, the influence of Friedrich Nietsche on French philosophy,
the French secular existentialism and their state system of Laïcité,
strict seperation of state and religion), the Netherlands (secularisation
of the sixtees, the alternative of the atheist religion socialism in it's
Social-democratic form - the red family, the left church, the Utopian
and messianic side of Dutch "Calvinist" socialism, and the influence
of French, German and Anglo-saxon non-religious philosophy and
ideologies), Norway, Denmark and Sweden (as Nordic, pragmatic,
technological. Modernist and social-liberal societies, with a Lutheranian past).
Finland and Iceland have slightly more believers, but stil a majority does
not believe in the One christian God, for centuries the shared Christian
core value of most Europeans.
I am suprised that only 38% of the British believe in God, because I know
you have a lot of Anglican christians, Prebestyrian and Roman-Catholics
in Great-Brittain? Germany is nearly 50-50, and in HUngary and Belgium
slightly less than 50% believes in God. In Flanders-Belgium (the Dutch
speaking part) the seperatist Nationalists dislike the monarchy and the
Catholic church, because they are seen as Federal institutions, and therefor
Pro-French-Belgium, Wallonia. Wallonia was traditionally anti-clerical with
a strong base of Socialism (Parti socialiste) and as one of the core regions
of European Anarchism in the 19th century.
So some Roman-Catholic, Eastern-orthodox and a Muslim country score
very high in the believing in God score! Sunni-Muslim Turkey (95%), the Catholic
Cyprus, Malta, Portugal, and Poland. The Orthodox Rumania and Greece.
Pieter
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Post by Jaga on Mar 25, 2009 20:24:44 GMT -7
Jaga, First I am suprised that the " European" countries Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are not in the Eurobarometer poll, because it would be interestig to compare the figures of the Baltic states with that of these states, as former Sovjet republics. I am curious if the " low" amount of people that believe in God in Lithuania (49%), Latvia (37%) and Estonia (16%) has to do with the 70 years of Sovjet influence, state atheism and the much old Baltic mythology ( Latvian mythology and Lithuanian mythology). I am not suprised about the Western-European states France the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Sweden (as Nordic, pragmatic, technological. Modernist and social-liberal societies, with a Lutheranian past). Finland and Iceland have slightly more believers, but stil a majority does not believe in the One christian God, for centuries the shared Christian core value of most Europeans. I am suprised that only 38% of the British believe in God, because I know you have a lot of Anglican christians, Prebestyrian and Roman-Catholics in Great-Brittain? Pieter Pieter, I agree that the sovietization influenced Baltic republic, but also the denomination. Lithuania was the last Eurpean country to accept Christianism but then, they remained Catholics and Catholics did not lose that many followers like Lutherans which dominate in Latvia and Estonia. I was also astonished that so few Brits believe in God |
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Post by karl on Mar 26, 2009 8:08:47 GMT -7
Jaga
Very some what surprised of the findings, but then, should not be..
With this as of response, I have not any research of findings to provide as a show and tell, nor of facts of presentation to provide for either entertainment or educational.
Just simply some observations from the school of life.
As a person, I am not such a good Christian, for my shadow has not crossed the threshold of a church for many years. In-as-much of observations as of others of profession to be Christan, is quite varied. For those I would not think of as church attendees, are. Others I would expect to be more of the non-believers, do believe very strongly in God, but do not attend a church of their choice.
My postulation? I think perhaps it is a combination of many factors that have come into action. For one factor:
Many folks are stressed with the complexity of life of today, and savor all the time they have for various pursuits of choice and relaxation.
Some place God as some thing to only consider in times of family emergencies and/or a death in the family or a close loved one is lost.
Some I expect, simply do not care
Some {my self} have lost faith in some people of attendance. For it is a risk of be-frienden people of the congregation. For they may exercise the opportunity of the moment to take advantage of your/my seemingly weakness moment whilst within ear-shot of others, to place demands of my time for their advantage in Church activities.
But, this is only of a personal observation of a extremely narrow segment.
Karl
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