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Post by RabiaMuweis on Apr 7, 2009 6:14:30 GMT -7
Berlin 7-4-2009 Lofa - Representatives from the Scandinavian countries and the Palestine-General to Germany Hayel Fahoum, today, the role of the European Union in general, and the Scandinavian countries in particular, to develop a new mechanism of action in order to advance the peace process and return to the track.
The statement issued by the Office of the High Commissioner of Palestine, that he held in the Embassy compound Scandinavia, today, a meeting of the Palestine to Germany Hayel Fahoum and representatives of embassies, which includes Scandinavia (Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland). And the statement that the meeting discussed the latest developments in the peace process in the Middle East, especially after the recent Israeli elections, and the negative remarks made by the members of the new Israeli Government, especially Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman
The conferees discussed the role of the European Union in general, and the Scandinavian countries in particular, to develop a new mechanism of action in order to advance the peace process and return to the track based on the resolutions of international legitimacy, on the basis of a two-state solution, the State of Palestine in the Occupied Palestinian Territory with its capital Jerusalem to 1967 by the State of Israel, and a just solution to the problem of the refugees on the basis of international resolutions
Fahoum focused on the need to announce the international community is clearly the option of a Palestinian state as stated in the Arab peace initiative, and to withdraw from all Arab territories occupied in 1967, to resolve all final status issues, that the only strategic option to ensure peace, security and development in the Middle East, and the opening of new prospects for stability and world peace.
Briefed the diplomatic representatives of the Scandinavian countries on the development of the Palestinian German direct, bilateral cooperation programs and the progressive development and the bottom of this relationship, as well as the growing German interest in finding a program for the construction of the pillars of the Palestinian state, including key sectors such as education, economic development, and support Palestinian institutions and security sector civil justice, health, and special attention the water sector in Palestine and the restoration of infrastructure destroyed by the occupation in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, especially after the recent war in the Gaza Strip
Fahoum discussed with representatives of the Scandinavian countries need to take a decision supported by the lifting of the Palestinian diplomatic representation in their countries, in particular in the European Union in general. At the end of the meeting, participants confirmed the growing interest of Governments to provide all possible support to the Palestinian people and taking into account all the remarks made by Ambassador Fahoum during the meeting.
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Post by karl on Apr 7, 2009 7:21:07 GMT -7
I am assuming of mention of Arab Peace Initiative, would {will} be of the Initiative 2002? www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htmIf this is so, then the currant action as initiated to the EU, is most correct for the advancement of a peace. Providing of course that all parties are to conduct this business in good faith. For it is clear and present of a continues situation of conflict with the Palestinian people caught in a vise, that is a vise between Israel and Egypt. For them, it is of un-wanted step-children. For the above, is not a manner of correctness of treatment of a people, let alone, an entire nation of people. For all people, require the same consideration and opportunity to a quality of life that is of expectation within our known modern world. There is a question though. The question that is most apparent is this: For why the surrounding Arab gulf states, not taken a more pro-active role in direct protection of the Gaza? For it is most puzzling, for they collectively own and are in direct control of the surrounding areas out side of Israel.. And with this, have the advantage to them of influence and international support and power. Karl |
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Post by pieter on Apr 7, 2009 9:40:13 GMT -7
Karl,
The Palestinians are fed up by the lack of support they got from Arab governments and leaders
who just used words and verbal attacks, and staged government sponsored or organised
protests. The Palestinians are a diplomatic force of their own, with decades of experiance
in negociating with the Israeli's and other parties.
In a poll most Palestinians refered to themselves as Muslims rather than Arabs, even the
National Palestinian identity "Palestinian" is more important to them then their Arab identity.
Pieter
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Post by RabiaMuweis on Apr 7, 2009 10:54:44 GMT -7
In a poll most Palestinians refered to themselves as Muslims rather than Arabs, even the
National Palestinian identity "Palestinian" is more important to them then their Arab identity
And who carried out the statistical ?
Sense of belonging to the much stronger than national affiliation and religious
We are living in an Arab and Islamic character, but I do not feel in myself that I belong to this country and I consider myself as any alien ,Strange as any American or Aruban
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Post by karl on Apr 7, 2009 11:01:29 GMT -7
Karl, The Palestinians are fed up by the lack of support they got from Arab governments and leaders who just used words and verbal attacks, and staged government sponsored or organised protests. The Palestinians are a diplomatic force of their own, with decades of experiance in negociating with the Israeli's and other parties. In a poll most Palestinians refered to themselves as Muslims rather than Arabs, even the National Palestinian identity "Palestinian" is more important to them then their Arab identity. Pieter Pieter Thank you kindly for your update of this matter. It is most understandable of Palestinian persons of responsibility to become quite distanced from most of the Arab states. For of past experience with dealing with Arabs in a business matter, is to say of least, very frustrating, and this in-deed so.. But, non-the-less, it is to the Arab states to insure stability in the region, and they do bear responsibility as a neighbor. For each of these family owned states, care predominantly of their own estate of ownership, and wish to protect their domain as a prerequisite of protection of interest. For in far past, this was very often a brutal affair, now of present, it is 1st, to assess the situation for what it is, then, what is the cost, then what is our options? And will these options give cause for our next neighbour to find cause against us for our actions. The Arab families of each respective family owned estate of gulf states are smart. For they were as young, to attend our best schools of each respective discipline and that in the American schools of law and economics. For they {Arab States} know and understand, that their entire economy and manner of lively hood, is soley dependent upon the black gold that was their legacy to be situated upon. For also, they are very cognizant of the extreme endangerment to these presseses oil fields. If but a few detonations of nuclear weapons are discharged upon these oil fields. For the aftermath of disaster is of total un-imaginable. So as you see. The Arabs are what they have been for of many centuries before of us, they are great gamblers..For what is there to lose in their eyes? For what ever, they will always have the land of the fore-fathers. To fully appreciate the situation, a person must live and or work in the region. {This not to be simple as a visitor on holliday travels}. Karl |
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Post by pieter on Apr 7, 2009 13:25:28 GMT -7
Palestine victim of Arab betrayal
Nonie Darwish | March 20, 2009
Article from: The Australian
INTERNATIONAL donors pledged almost $4.5 billion in aid for Gaza earlier this month. During the past few years it has been very painful for me to witness the deteriorating humanitarian situation in that narrow strip where I lived as a child in the 1950s.
The media tends to attribute Gaza's decline solely to Israeli military and economic actions against Hamas. But such a myopic analysis ignores the problem's root cause: 60 years of Arab policy aimed at cementing the Palestinian people's status as stateless refugees to use their suffering as a weapon against Israel.
As a child in Gaza in the '50s, I experienced the early results of this policy. Egypt, which controlled the territory then, conducted guerilla-style operations against Israel from Gaza. My father commanded these operations, carried out by Palestinian fedeyeen (Arabic for self-sacrifice).
Back then, Gaza was already the front line of the Arab jihad against Israel. My father was assassinated by Israeli forces in 1956.
It was in those years that the Arab League started its Palestinian refugee policy. Arab countries implemented special laws designed to make it impossible to integrate the Palestinian refugees from the 1948 Arab war against Israel.
Even descendants of Palestinian refugees who are born in another Arab country and live there their entire lives can never gain that country's passport. Even if they marry a citizen of an Arab country, they cannot become citizens of their spouse's country. They must remain Palestinian even though they may have never set foot in the West Bank or Gaza.
This policy of forcing a Palestinian identity on these people for eternity and condemning them to a miserable life in a refugee camp was designed to perpetuate and exacerbate the Palestinian refugee crisis.
So was the Arab policy of overpopulating Gaza. The UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, whose main political support comes from Arab countries, encourages high birthrates by rewarding families with many children. Yasser Arafat said the Palestinian woman's womb was his best weapon.
Arab countries always push for classifying as many Palestinians as possible as refugees.
As a result, about one-third of the Palestinians in Gaza still live in refugee camps. For 60 years, Palestinians have been used and abused by Arab regimes and Palestinian terrorists in their fight against Israel.
Now it is Hamas, an Islamist terror organisation supported by Iran, that is using and abusing Palestinians for this purpose. While Hamas leaders hid in the well-stocked bunkers and tunnels they prepared before they provoked Israel into attacking them, Palestinian civilians were exposed and caught in the deadly crossfire between Hamas and Israeli soldiers.
As a result of 60 years of this Arab policy, Gaza has become a prison camp for 1.5 million Palestinians. Both Israel and Egypt are fearful of terrorist infiltration from Gaza - all the more so since Hamas took over - and have always maintained tight controls over their borders with Gaza. The Palestinians continue to endure hardships because Gaza continues to serve as the launching pad for terror attacks against Israeli citizens. Those attacks come in the form of Hamas missiles that indiscriminately target Israeli kindergartens, homes and businesses.
And Hamas continued these attacks more than two years after Israel withdrew from Gaza in the hope that this step would begin the process of building a Palestinian state, eventually leading to a peaceful, two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There was no cycle of violence then, no justification for anything other than peace and prosperity.
But, instead, Hamas chose Islamic jihad. Gazans' and Israelis' hopes have been met with misery for Palestinians and missiles for Israelis.
Hamas, an Iranian proxy, has become a danger not only to Israel but also to Palestinians as well as to neighbouring Arab states, which fear the spread of radical Islam could destabilise their countries.
Arabs claim they love the Palestinian people, but they seem more interested in sacrificing them. If they really loved their Palestinian brethren, they would pressure Hamas to stop firing missiles at Israel. In the longer term, the Arab world must end the Palestinians' refugee status and thereby their desire to harm Israel.
It's time for the 22 Arab countries to open their borders and absorb the Palestinians of Gaza who wish to start a new life.
It is time for the Arab world to truly help the Palestinians, not use them.
Nonie Darwish, who grew up in Gaza City and Cairo, is the author, most recently, of Cruel and Usual Punishment (Thomas Nelson).
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Post by pieter on Apr 7, 2009 13:34:43 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Apr 7, 2009 14:47:00 GMT -7
Rabia,
I saw this poll somewhere on Al Jazeera English edition or Haaretz, but I can't find it
back, because it is a few days back, and then they are replaced by new items.
The Poll showed that the Palestinian identity has diverse layers, and in that the
priority of many Palestinians first was in the fact that they are Sunni Muslims,
secondly, that they are Palestinians (the National identity) and third that they
are Arabs. I thinkt that, because they are sealed off from Israel and the Arab
world (their Jordanian, Egyptian and Lebanese neighbours), they feel themselves
as being a differant identity! When you are segregated for many decades and
have a differant development then your neighbours you become differant.
Look at East-Germany, North-Korea, Northern-Ireland, the Basq region in
Spain, they have a sort of regionalist separation or segregation from their
neighbours and therfor became differant. Up today eastern-Germans are
differant then Western-Germans, have a differant accent and often feel or
felt discriminated by Western-Germans (wether that is right or wrong is
not the question, the fact is that there is a historical differance between
West- and East-Germans due to the two political systems and life conditions
people had to live under). The same with the Northern-Irish Irish Catholic
Nationalists (Republicans), and the Protestant Ulster Loyalists, segregated
groups, although they are ethnically very near to eachother.
The Palestinians were segregated from their Arab brethern, due to historical,
political, militairy, economical and socio-cultural conditions.
They were never real citizens of other Arab countries, because they were kept
in refugee camps, got priviliges by some regimes, which benefited them and
kept them apart from the native Arab populations in which countries they
stayed and stay. In Palestine they were and are segregated in Gazans and
West-Bank Palestinians. In Lebanon, Syria and Jordan they lived in refugee
camps, and were political forces there. In Jordan, Lebanon and inside Palestine
they were enganged in civil wars and fractional infighting.
In my view both Zionism, Arab Pan-Nationalism (both Nasserism and
Baath ideology - the opposing Syrian and Iraqi branches-), Saudi and
Northern-African Wahabism and Salafism influenced the Palestinians
inside and outside Palestine. Zionism, because in fighting this Jewish
Nationalism and state the Palestinians learnt from the Zionist militairy
strategies, Israeli politics, because guerilla fighters, extremists, and
Nationalists insergents always learn in a dialectical or determinist
development. I am sure Palestinian security forces, militia's and
fractions have learned from Israeli forces, the Egyptian boardertroops
and army and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Because people always learn and
use the tactics and strategies and skills of their oponents.
Today the Palestinians can't be defeated, because they are where they
are and they will stay where they are and nobody will be able to remove
them from there unless there will be a real genocide or sytematic
removal, which will cause a great regional and international war.
In my view the Palestinians are a kind of their own, influenced by their
Levantine neighbours from all sides, part of the world's Ummah,
and destinct from it's Arab neighbours by it's specific Palestinian
identity of Palestinian culture, Palestinian resistance, Palestinian
nationalism, Palestinian arab dialect and the Palestinian soil!
The sad, funny, ironical fact is that the Palestinians and the Israeli
jews care as much about their land as the other, and both have a
mythical, ancient and generations old ties and roots in this land
of their forefathers. I think about the Palestinian olive fields,
the Palestinian farmers, Palestinian family clans and families who
love Palestine with whole their hearts, minds and spirits.
Ofcourse Palestinians are arabs, Muslims and christians, but many
of them consider themselves more Palestinian Nationalist and
Sunni Muslim than Pan-Arab nationalist or Arab.
Pieter
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Post by RabiaMuweis on Apr 8, 2009 0:26:19 GMT -7
The Poll showed that the Palestinian identity has diverse layers, and in that the
priority of many Palestinians first was in the fact that they are Sunni Muslims
big big noooooooooooooooooooooPalestinians belonging to their national identity first. For you if I said that Palestinians belong to their religion before their country is an injustice to all who offer the sacrifices of all denominations ,Happen and that the 3 religions in Palestine, Sunni Muslims and Christians of several denominations, and Jews Does this mean that each of them preceded by affiliation of national affiliation
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