Bundes Nachrichten Dienst

[pieter]

There was quite a lot of news recently about the
German Secret Service, which has a base in the
Arab world and good ties with Israel, the USA
and Great Britain.

GERMAN INTELLIGENCE IN IRAQ

Government Denies Helping US Invasion (Again)

By Matthias Gebauer and Severin Weiland

Last week, the German government convincingly denied reports that its intelligence agents assisted the US in locating bombing targets in Iraq. On Monday, a New York Times report says otherwise. The government is in denial.



NYT
Saddam Hussein's plan for the defense of Baghdad, obtained by German agents and provided to the United States in February 2003, a month before the war, according to a study by the American military.
The daily federal government press conference in Berlin began seven minutes late on Monday. That's how long journalists had to wait until the government's spokesman, Ulrich Wilhelm, who had just received a two-page fax from the president of Germany's foreign intelligence service (BND), could respond to allegations levied by an explosive New York Times report. If true, the report would indicate that the BND directly supported the US military with strategic information in the run-up to its invasion of Iraq.

The Times article sent ripples throughout the government quarter in Berlin on Monday. According to the report, one month prior to the invasion of Iraq, the German intelligence service provided US forces with Saddam Hussein's defense plan for Baghdad. The sketch shows circular lines of defense that Saddam allegedly wanted to use to keep the Americans out of the Iraqi capital.

service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,403486,00.html

If the report is accurate, it would be a journalistic sensation, since it has the potential to forever taint the credibility of former chancellor Gerhard Schröder and his coalition government made up of Social Democrats (SPD) and Greens. The coalition staunchly refused to aid the US invasion of Iraq and was outspoken in its oppostion to the war. Most recently, on Friday, Olaf Scholz, the SPD's leader on the parliamentary oversight committee that serves as the intelligence agency's government guardian, vehemently denied that two BND agents in Iraq had passed any tactical or strategic information on to the US.

Other interesting links in English and German:
www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1153087,00.html
www.wsws.org/articles/2006/feb2006/fisc-f16.shtml
www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09532403.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-German_(ideology)

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pieter

I was waiting for some one else to step in and respond to your fine presentation, but, as time would prove, not to be.

The BND has been very close with the Mossad for many years now. In as much in Canada and with New Zeland.

It would so seem that, at the end of the day, we must all pay for our crimes.

www.icej.org/cgi-local/view.cgi?type=headline&artid=2006/01/19/162596992

Charles

[pieter]

Charles,

I am not shocked by the BND cooperation with Israel and it's role in Iraq
at all. Most Secret Services operate as a state in a state, and often
work in contrast with their governments policy.
There is no differance between the BND, and the CIA, MI5, MI6, the
Russian FSB (follow up of the KGB), the French DGSE, the Dutch AIVD
or the Polish UOP (Urzad Ochrony Panstwa (Office for State Protection)
and AW: Agencja Wywiadu, the Foreign Intelligence Agency and the
ABW: Agencja Bezpieczenstwa Wewnetrznego, the Internal Security Agency,
founded in June 2002.
In my opinion all secret services are strange organisations which employ
strange people (spies), who operate illegally, often under suspicious
and dark circumstances. The worldwide secret services network is a
strange world, in which things often work differantly than in politics,
the media and our societies with its legal systems and rules and
legislations. They stand above the law, because our systems allow
them to be. The parlaimentarians who form the clun who controls
the secret sertvice, ofcourse don't know everything.

The Iran-Contra scandal was a good example how secret services
work, and the fact that the CIA assasinated a lot of Southern-American
leaders in it's support for far right para-military organisations,
Military coups and junta's and secret services (think about operation
Condor). I don't know much about the European secret services,
but I am sure that they have dirty hands too.

Pieter

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pieter

I think I remember that incident with the Iran/Contra situation dealing with Oliver North (colonel?) and the situation of siphoning arms sale profits to the Iranian Government, to use for the fight against the Sandinista Nicaragua government.

That was the impedes for engaging the Boland Amendments prohibiting the Defense Department for conducting such operations.

Charles

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pieter

Once the Pandora box lid is raised, and the word yes is broached, then the world of darkness begins to yield light.

www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.272438857&par=0

First the box lid was raised for Iraq, now, the trail leads to Guantanamo Bay Cuba.

Then once one name is released, this then is a paper trail to the next, to the next, and who knows where after that.

A good house, is a well swept dust free clean house. All welded by a firm hand.

Charles

[pieter]

Good article of the Global information Gateway, the article proves that
democracy can work over old political polarisations, in the cooperation
between the centre-right FDP, die Grünen and die Linkspartei.
But after the investigation has be done and the results are in the open
after a little unrest, everything will settle down again, and during this
government and other governments there will be other operations
which will be in contrast with the German government and so political
policy, but maybe in the long term will good for Germany and it's allies.
Ofcourse most of the operations never come in the open, and you never
know what the BND is working on or is involved with, together with
the Americans, Israeli's, Brits, Arabs or Iranians.
We don't really know what is really going on in this intelligence community,
networks, joynt operations and aleingangs.
We always learn about it later, after decades, when the files finaly are
opened. Sometimes the world is differant than it seems to be.

Pieter

[bescheid]

Dear pieter

For what, or for why, in the end, the same is of one. We must protect and preserve, our way of life.

It is ok, to be universale to public opinion,but, some one must fight, some one must fall, and in the end, the some one is the one who says, the line stops here!

We will win, and you will lose.

Just bear in mind, there are only two answers in this world, it is: yes or no. The remainder of answers are just BS, no more or no less.

The total trick is though, to be always on the winning side...yes!

Charles

[pieter]

The name secret service says it all, it's an organisation who works on the long term safety of
a country, it's national intrest and the interests of allies whith whose intelligence organisation the
national agency cooperates. And that is another world than our political system,legal system,
society and even economy and culture. They have links with all these elements of the country
they work for, but their operative field is wider and more unknown.
When you look at the NSA and it's Echelon system, you know how wide it's network is,
and how powerful, effective, high tech and global that is.
I did not want to give a moral judgement, I just want to say what I know and think.
Our way of life and civilization is preserved by the way we live (keeping our dignity,
taking care of ourselves and families as best as possible), our cultural achievements
(generation after generation, as long as men exsist and will exsist), our political
awareness and choises, we use and improve our legal systems, our social-economical
level, the amount of freedom we keep, and our Militairy self defense and the
quality and level of our Intelligence community.

Pieter

[bescheid]

Dear Pieter

And I dare say, Dear Pieter, your self, as an artist in soul and body, but, yet, not a dreamer, but a realist of the present and currant world we live in..

Your post cut through my intellect as of a sharp sword bringing forth a deluge of appreciation of your insight. It was almost as of your being just across from my desk at my former work.

But, you are the fortunate one, yes! You have only one shoe to walk in, I must fill two shoes. My own, and that of, well, my former employers. But yet, not so bad as all of that... For we all work for only one end, and that is for the common good...

The needs of the many, to be protected and fulfilled by the few. An equatable exchange I would only guess.

Charles