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Post by Jaga on Jun 13, 2009 22:43:03 GMT -7
This is a real story:
A woman declared dead woke up in the morgue and turned out to be just fine.
Police in Zwolen are investigating a very unusual case of a woman declared dead, who woke up in the morgue and turned out to be just fine.
A man called an ambulance on Friday morning for his sick wife. The doctor who arrived on the scene declared the woman dead and the patient was transported to a morgue. The family had began preparations for a funeral, when, in the afternoon, one of the morgue workers heard strange sounds and noticed that one of the bodies was actually moving. He called a doctor and the supposedly dead woman was taken to a hospital ward.
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Post by justjohn on Jun 14, 2009 5:38:14 GMT -7
This is a real story: A woman declared dead woke up in the morgue and turned out to be just fine. Police in Zwolen are investigating a very unusual case of a woman declared dead, who woke up in the morgue and turned out to be just fine. A man called an ambulance on Friday morning for his sick wife. The doctor who arrived on the scene declared the woman dead and the patient was transported to a morgue. The family had began preparations for a funeral, when, in the afternoon, one of the morgue workers heard strange sounds and noticed that one of the bodies was actually moving. He called a doctor and the supposedly dead woman was taken to a hospital ward. I wonder if recovery in a morgue is less expensive than recovery in a ICU ?   |
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Post by iloveapolishgirl on Jun 14, 2009 15:06:25 GMT -7
Yea, my fiancee told me this was on the news earlier today! I've got to say some of the things I've learned from her about the current state of the Polish medical system have shocked the heck out of me! Quite frankly, I will be very very happy once I can get her on my medical plan!
dvc
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Post by tuftabis on Jun 15, 2009 5:04:31 GMT -7
ILAPG, by no means I would want to question the opinions of your fiancee, which are of course well grounded and real as she lives in South - Eastern Poland. Of course she is right - there is still a lot to be done to make our medical system better, in short a lot of money is needed to complete the task and reach the goal. Which is state-of-the art service on time for everyone. Plus extreme sophistication and comfort for those who can afford it. We are half way, and much closer to the latter part than the former one... So just a few comments that will perhaps broaden the image, thus making your and other forum members' knowledge about Polish medical system more complete. However, not fully complete as they are just my opinions, as subjective as anyone's who is not a professional insider. Having said so, I must say I find Polish medical service system quite satisfying. There are two pillars of the system, the public (government owned) and private health care. The first pillar is compulsory – everyone who earns money in any way has to pay for public medical insurance. Everyone pays according to the golden rule of European systems – which is social solidarity. Which means the less you earn the less you pay for the same insurance. This public insurance performs differently in different regions of the country and in different institutions. This, poses a serious problem especially combined with the fact that some hospitals, out-patients clinics, diagnostic labs and so on, and so on are still underequiped and underinvested. Some however are completely at the state of the art level. Unfortunately the public system is generally overloaded and thus both the hospitals and out-patiennt clinics are crowded, the food in hospitals is very simple etc., the sanitary facilities tend to be outadated and so on. The second pillar – private insurance, is not compulsory.You have to choose it on your own and make the bank pay for you every month, quarter, year, whatever you prefer. The cost of such insurance begins at around 100 PLN for the very basic coverage. The full one starts around 300 PLN. Of course there are family discounts and all that fancy system of atrracting more customers. Aditionally, some employers cover up to 100 % of the private insurance. For that you receive quick and nice, state of the art medical service. As I have said – I personally find this two-pillar system quite satisifing, although yes I am aware that the real problems are for those who don't use the second pillar at all and are fed up with lines. And for those who have to use a hospital often and if they want to use a private hospital they need an insurance which includes hospital stays – which begins from 600 PLN while the alternative is being treated in an often overcrowded government-owned one. However, the bright sides of the system is that nobody in Poland is left without medical help at all, not even those who are long-term unemployed. Also we have the so called 'biała niedziela' (the whitre Sunday) system, when doctors come to distant regions of Poland and treat patients completely out of charge. I think you know this system as it operates in the USA as well: pa.photoshelter.com/c/felixfeatures/gallery-show/G0000GidLHRvDeWQ/ Aditionally we have Poland- wide projects of screening againts the most popular diseases, like the breast cancer, hypertension, uterus neck neoplasma, diabetes, coronary disease and so on and so on. This is done by means of special vehicles which travel around Poland. Look how they look.   |
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Post by gideon on Jun 15, 2009 13:11:08 GMT -7
This is the kind of story that usually leads me to make some comment about her husband wanted to have sex and she was faking death to avoid it. I am not going to do that this time.
-Tim
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Post by iloveapolishgirl on Jun 15, 2009 14:43:41 GMT -7
Actually, I formed my own opinion based on her experiences.  dvc |
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Post by justjohn on Jun 16, 2009 9:52:47 GMT -7
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Post by tuftabis on Jun 25, 2009 10:40:37 GMT -7
ILPAG, you may be interested that according to a recent verdict of Administrative Court, the private medical insurance packets paid by the employers are not counted as an income for the workers. Which means they don't have to pay the tax from them. This is reallty great news and will further popularize the private insurance system in Poland .
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Post by cfn on Jun 25, 2009 18:01:48 GMT -7
On a side note, first: What does ILPAG stand for?
But my main reason for replying is this: In America, the Democrats in charge are seriously talking of taxing medical benefits. Opponents feel this could be a 'flanking manuever' to nationalize health care. (That means, by taxing a present benefit, they would discourage the continuation of such benefits; thereby helping to force the nationalization of health care. One of America's founding fathers said, "The power to tax is the power to destroy.")
I am very glad Poland is moving away from such moves. Good for you!
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Post by jocekortan on Sept 3, 2009 12:00:14 GMT -7
that is nuts.
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