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Post by Jaga on May 8, 2006 15:26:33 GMT -7
convince me if this is not the case
-the boss of CIA would be a military man -Bush admin. started already two wars and is preparing for the third -Support of the big businesses, not a middle class -Bush and his administration do not care for negotitions but rather confrontation -They escalate the danger (WMD never found), they never admit any mistake -They keep naive Americans in the state of fear -They believe in black and white - we are perfect, the enemy is perfectly devilish, no any gray shadows, you either with us or against us -They see only a part of the problem - for instance they see the nuclear ambitions of Iran but they ignore the fact that Israel has already nuclear arsenal and maybe the existence of Iran's counterbalance would be good for the region -Their biggest friends are not necessarily democracies but rather the countries and regimes which have common interests as the US
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george
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Post by george on May 8, 2006 16:35:24 GMT -7
Jaga... i tend to support your first seven points. The last i have a problem with. I would trust Isreal a whole lot more than Iran with the nuclear bomb. I think Irans government is irrational as any government i can think of in my lifetime. And yes i agree our friends are not neccessarily democracies.
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Post by bescheid on May 8, 2006 16:46:15 GMT -7
First of all, welcome back As you were missed! Michael Hayden, airforce intelligence officer. Nominated as a candidate to fill the vacancy of head of the CIA. A step up, or a step down. Depending upon who will benefit the most. For many years, there has been a tendency for the DoD (Department of "Defense) to compete against the civilian department of the CIA in both funding and operational expertise. Now with the possible (and only possible) acceptance of General Hayden to head the civilian office, the question is fielded, will he be required to resign his commission first? On the one hand, it would so seem, that there is a conflict of interest in retaining both his military rank, pay grade, and at same time, accepting the salary position of head of the civilian department of CIA. The other question is this: What of the currant agents in the field? And how are they to be protected? It has been some what historic, that the DoD has not cared one witt for any civilian intelligence officers over their own. And of the currant programmes in field operations. Funding, rotation of personnel. It is as of not only just changing horses in the middle of the stream, but, more akin to just simply shooting the horse whilst still in their traces,and then leaving them where they lay. But, of course, Mr. Hayden is a friend of the President and can do no wrong. www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/07/hayden/Charles
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Post by hollister on May 8, 2006 17:34:01 GMT -7
* Never mind - Move along - These are not the droids you are looking for *
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Post by Jaga on May 8, 2006 18:59:24 GMT -7
Jaga... i tend to support your first seven points. The last i have a problem with. I would trust Isreal a whole lot more than Iran with the nuclear bomb. I think Irans government is irrational as any government i can think of in my lifetime. And yes i agree our friends are not neccessarily democracies. George, when did Iran start a war? Please, read abour American/British organized coup of Iraq first democratic government: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1357781Do you know that the US was supporting Saddam when Saddam attacked Iran? Why? +++I would trust Isreal a whole lot more than Iran with the nuclear bomb.+++ Israle intelligence was very eager to support the thesis that Iraq had WMD. Israel intelligence pushes for the war with Iran the same way. Even Polish mass-media were reporting that Israel intelligence is saying that Iran developed much more nuclear power that it says. Israel also bombed Iraq nuclear facilities once - I guess Saddam did the same to Israel later on
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Post by Jaga on May 8, 2006 19:44:16 GMT -7
Charles, thank you for the welcome and for your indebt perspective into the conflict! Holly, I am so glad we have you here
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Post by bescheid on May 9, 2006 7:08:04 GMT -7
* Never mind - Move along - These are not the droids you are looking for * Hollie I am confused, what are the droids? Charles
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Post by sciwriter on May 9, 2006 11:37:17 GMT -7
Military coup started with Kennedy assassination.
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Post by bescheid on May 9, 2006 17:32:48 GMT -7
Carl
I am in the dark, what is the military coup in the Kennedy assassination?
Charles
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piwo
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Post by piwo on May 9, 2006 19:36:03 GMT -7
Carl I am in the dark, what is the military coup in the Kennedy assassination? Charles Well, I'm not sure of others, but JFK gave the Go-ahead to South Vietnamese generals to stage the coup which toppled the government of Ngo Dinh Diem, in 1963. Robert McNamara confirmed this in an interview that was played on "Viet Nam" taken from Stanly Kubrek's book. Diem and family were captured in an underground tunnel under the capital, and were executed. JFK was assassinated himself only 20 days later.
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Post by bescheid on May 10, 2006 7:11:11 GMT -7
piwo
Thanks...most likly it will be another 30 years before the truth of the Kennedy assasination will be made public.
Deep still waters and all of that.
Charles
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Post by Jaga on May 10, 2006 8:28:56 GMT -7
Carl I am in the dark, what is the military coup in the Kennedy assassination? Charles Well, I'm not sure of others, but JFK gave the Go-ahead to South Vietnamese generals to stage the coup which toppled the government of Ngo Dinh Diem, in 1963. Robert McNamara confirmed this in an interview that was played on "Viet Nam" taken from Stanly Kubrek's book. Diem and family were captured in an underground tunnel under the capital, and were executed. JFK was assassinated himself only 20 days later. The first coup/clandestine operation was done much earlier - by Eisenhover with the Iran change of the power. Truman did not want to go with it but Eisenhover was willing to help Brits and get better access to Iran oil
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Post by sciwriter on May 10, 2006 10:35:44 GMT -7
Guys: The stage for the coup started in WW2 when USA military-industrial complex had military material shipped to Soviets initially to fight Hitler, then to help Soviets build its own military industrial complex to engage in mutually profitable cold war after ww2. Also after WW2. USA military industrial complex financed CIA immigration of former Nazi scientists to USA under Operation Paper Clip to engage in nilitary related research.
IMO JFK was assassinated in part because he didn't want to share power with CIA. Carl
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Post by sciwriter on May 10, 2006 10:45:01 GMT -7
Guys, despite AIPAC and aid from USA, Israel takes orders from USA. Logistically Israel doesn't have the resources to control USA foreign policy. Presently since Israel wants independence from USA, Olmert (Sharon's successor) is building primary relations with Europe. Carl
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Post by bescheid on May 10, 2006 10:55:25 GMT -7
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