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Post by Jaga on Jan 28, 2010 0:12:20 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Jan 28, 2010 5:57:29 GMT -7
Holocaust remembrance is a boon for Israeli propaganda www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1145670.htmlIsrael's bigwigs attacked at dawn on a wide front. The president in Germany, the prime minister with a giant entourage in Poland, the foreign minister in Hungary, his deputy in Slovakia, the culture minister in France, the information minister at the United Nations, and even the Likud party's Druze Knesset member, Ayoob Kara, in Italy. They were all out there to make florid speeches about the Holocaust. Wednesday was International Holocaust Remembrance Day, and an Israeli public relations drive like this hasn't been seen for ages. The timing of the unusual effort - never have so many ministers deployed across the globe - is not coincidental: When the world is talking Goldstone, we talk Holocaust, as if out to blur the impression. When the world talks occupation, we'll talk Iran as if we wanted them to forget. It won't help much. International Holocaust Remembrance Day has passed, the speeches will soon be forgotten, and the depressing everyday reality will remain. Israel will not come out looking good, even after the PR campaign. Advertisement On the eve of his departure, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at Yad Vashem. "There is evil in the world," he said. "Evil must be stamped out at the beginning." Some people are "trying to deny the truth." Lofty words, said by the same person who only the day before, not quite in the same breath, uttered very different words, words of true evil, evil that should be extinguished at the start, evil that Israel is trying to hide. Netanyahu spoke of a new "migration policy," one that is evil through and through. He malevolently lumped together migrant workers and wretched refugees - warning that they all endanger Israel, lower our wages, harm our security, make us into a third-world country and bring in drugs. He zealously supported our racist interior minister, Eli Yishai, who has spoken of the migrants as the spreaders of diseases such as hepatitis, tuberculosis, AIDS and God knows what else. No Holocaust speech will erase these words of incitement and slander against migrants. No remembrance speech will obliterate the xenophobia that has reared its head in Israel, not only on the extreme right, as in Europe, but throughout government. We have a prime minister who speaks about evil but is building a fence to prevent war refugees from knocking at Israel's door. A prime minister who speaks about evil but shares the crime of the Gaza blockade, now in its fourth year, leaving 1.5 million people in disgraceful conditions. A prime minister in whose country settlers perpetrate pogroms against innocent Palestinians under the slogan "price tag," which also has horrific historical connotations, but against whom the state does virtually nothing. This is the prime minister of a state that arrests hundreds of left-wing protesters against the injustices of the occupation and the war in Gaza, while time grants mass pardons to the right-wingers who demonstrated against the disengagement. In his speech yesterday, Netanyahu's equating Nazi Germany with fundamentalist Iran was no more than cheap propaganda. Talk about "degrading the Holocaust." Iran isn't Germany, Ahmedinejad isn't Hitler and equating them is no less spurious than equating Israeli soldiers with Nazis. The Holocaust must not be forgotten, and there is no need to compare it with anything. Israel must take part in the efforts to keep its memory alive, but in doing so it must show up with clean hands, clean of evil of their own doing. And it must not arouse suspicion that it is cynically using the memory of the Holocaust to obliterate and blur other things. Regrettably, this is not the case. How beautiful it would have been if on this international day of remembrance Israel had taken the time to examine itself, look inward and ask, for example, how it is that anti-Semitism has reared its head in the world precisely in the past year, the year after we dropped white-phosphorous bombs on Gaza. How beautiful it would have been if on this International Holocaust Remembrance Day, Netanyahu had declared a new policy for integrating refugees instead of expulsion, or lifted the Gaza blockade. A thousand speeches against anti-Semitism will not extinguish the flames ignited by Operation Cast Lead, flames that threaten not only Israel but the entire Jewish world. As long as Gaza is under blockade and Israel sinks into its institutionalized xenophobia, Holocaust speeches will remain hollow. As long as evil is rampant here at home, neither the world nor we will be able to accept our preaching to others, even if they deserve it.
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Post by karl on Jan 28, 2010 10:57:37 GMT -7
Jaga Thank you for presentation of this event. It has been a hot topic around the coffee pot with many different thoughts and opinion. For my self, I am little different with different feelings and associated thoughts. I do feel it is not correct to use this war time event of tragedy for political advantage, it is just wrong. What ever the number of total deaths were brought about by the events of Auschwitz, needs be to keep as sacred memory of the lives lost for no good reason in that place. Whilst though, this particular writing encompasses a little of the past, but then, it encompasses a much amount to the present. We may not rebuild the past, but, we must live in the present, which is the here and now. Our country {Germany} is an industrial cost effective production and export lively hood. Export is our life blood. With this, is a very close protective partner with the state of Israel. As a person, my thoughts are torn between that what I see is wrong in the actions of the Israeli military against the people of Palestinian. But, in the same token, what is Israel to do? For the country is expanding with increasing population count, and where to settle these people? Whilst on the other side of the Roman coin. The government of Israel is and has been a very important customer of consumer goods and military equipment. A very excellent customer. So, who would be the culprit of this need for very expensive weapons of protection? For it would so seem that history is correct with the plight of Israel, for it is surrounded by its enemies with the sea at its back. I wish not to contaminant your presentation with an additional presentation, for that would contaminate with confusion. For in this instance, perhaps the following would suffice. With the authority given to Israeli Defense Minister "Ehud Barak" negations were given for purchase of some marine weapons of our design being that of another {6th} Dolphin class U-Boat, and 2 Ultra Modern missile Corvette vessels. These would be placed as new contracts of build by: Hamburg und Voss of typen: MEKO A-100. And to: Kiel {HDW} Thyssen Krupp. One new for delivery, Dolphin U-Boat. At present, the Israeli government, has not the amount of foreign credits to cover the entirety of cost. For this, they must be subsidize with our public tax funding. It is a question of: what must we do? For we have our currant problems, but, their problems out weigh ours... So what do we do? The following url is for show/tell combatfleetoftheworld.blogspot.com/2010/01/israel-in-talks-to-buy-6th-submarine.htmlwww.defenseindustrydaily.com/germany-may-sell-2-more-dolphin-subs-to-israel-for-117b-01528/www.naval-technology.com/projects/meko/Karl |
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Post by Jaga on Jan 29, 2010 0:53:03 GMT -7
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Post by tuftabis on Jan 29, 2010 3:22:59 GMT -7
It is my great plesure to almost totally agree with the first message of our newly regained tenor, missed by so many otherwise silent souls!
Yes, SOME Israeli use Auschwitz politically. But, with all respect Jaga, aren't you doing the same, but the other way?
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Post by Jaga on Jan 29, 2010 7:52:47 GMT -7
It is my great plesure to almost totally agree with the first message of our newly regained tenor, missed by so many otherwise silent souls! Yes, SOME Israeli use Auschwitz politically. But, with all respect Jaga, aren't you doing the same, but the other way? The fight between Israel and Palestine is not even. The first have money and power, the others have nothing. There is an apartheid system there in Palestine - pres. Carter wrote a book about it. Kids and adults throw the stones into Israelites since they have no access to education or work. Israel reply with killing hundreds and thousands after ...."warning" as like these people could escape anywhere. Nobody openly can criticize Israel because of Holocaust being used now as ultimate horror. Can you convert human lives to money? Do you know that Israeli lobby presses Am. Congress for several years to demand that Poland pay high retribution for Jewish property to Israel? |
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Post by tuftabis on Jan 29, 2010 9:49:11 GMT -7
Do you know that Israeli lobby presses Am. Congress for several years to demand that Poland pay high retribution for Jewish property to Israel? In every country, in Israel, Poland, USA, Germany, you name it, there are diiferent political and socials wings, shades of all kind. And there's a political although not always visible struggle between these, taking place on many levels. Jaga, dear good Jaga, albo - kochana dobra Jago, just as you I am Polish, i 'feel' all those thing almost exactly as you do, and even more so because I have visited Arab world as well as Israel. People from those different shades of social spectrum find a cross-border, cross-national, understanding and links. Those of the past live there and are of margin. Those of the present live in the present, enjoying life or cursing life, depending on the times. Those of the future secure the change if present is bad, or secure that nothing changes even if everything changes, if the present is great. In contrast to majority of people, you have every possibility to deliberately choose the group you belong to. Besides mentioned there's also a group of cynical people. Among them part of Jewish lobby in USA, notorious for smearig Poland's image, wanting money from ANYONE having it and so on. And all I can say, frankly and sincerely, if you think you are fighting with the lobby pressing for money from Poland, than you are wrong. You are helping them. |
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Post by chicagoan on Jan 29, 2010 20:25:25 GMT -7
Well, I thought I should tell you somethings that I found out from my long lost cousin. She found me and we have been meeting each others for 3 years. Her brother went to Poland 2 years ago where Auschwitz camp at. He was very shocked to see his great grandfather's name on Memorial Monuments which tell who were killed in concentration camp. He was so upset and took pictures of someone with our last names. There were about 20 of them same last names. Now my cousin and I are wondering if they are related to us.
Now I know why my grandfather died 2 years later (1948) he got sick so badly in his head. My grandmother got sick too after his death and she lived 6 years after his death. Sound like they lost their brothers and sisters. I am not sure.
I am very surprised no one in our grandparent's side never told us about last name posting on monument. I have the pictures of it. It is very beautiufl. I am vey sad. My cousin said she will visit Poland again and find out more about our ancestories. We are searching more informations.
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