bujno
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Post by bujno on Sept 18, 2006 6:27:21 GMT -7
Bujno, what bothers me - is that the commentaries in the US are just so shallow, they do not even explain what the speech was all about! It seems to me that the protesters are just in waiting trying to figure out what cause to choose to start protesting! It is so....naive! I mean, does the pope need to apologize that he admitted that there are extreme muslims? By the way, we should be releaved that our Polish pope was so loved and there was so little controversy surrounded him. This pope had it more difficult Jaga, I have been to the US just once, 10 y. ago and for a short time, so YOU tell me if the commentaries there are shallow My guess would be they are shallow in shallow media and deep in the rest of them. I have exactly the same impression as you do: the protesters are just in waiting trying to figure out what cause to choose to start protesting.....
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Post by jimpres on Sept 18, 2006 6:54:54 GMT -7
Anyone who critisizes Islam is going to have a difficult time. The media here in the use is to PC in my opinion. They don't seem to be able to print the truth and have little reason and common sense.
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Post by bujno on Sept 18, 2006 7:05:00 GMT -7
Anyone who critisizes Islam is going to have a difficult time. The media here in the use is to PC in my opinion. They don't seem to be able to print the truth and have little reason and common sense. Jim, don't you think that the PC pushed to the limits of sense was party the reason of waht we have today?
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Post by jimpres on Sept 18, 2006 7:08:33 GMT -7
Bujno, Exactly, the media pushes there own agenda and causes many of the problems and reactions from the Muslim world. That is not to say the Muslim world needs to clean up there act and stop the violence. I mean we treat the detainees in Gitmo better then our own people. Crazyness.
Jim
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Post by Jaga on Sept 18, 2006 20:53:15 GMT -7
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Post by rdywenur on Sept 18, 2006 21:09:59 GMT -7
The Pope was just doing his job as a Christian so why should he need to appologize for thinking and saying Christian things. If the Muslims don't like it ...tough. I don't beleive he should be appologizing for what he said that would be wrong.
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Post by Bob S on Sept 19, 2006 5:04:16 GMT -7
The Pope was just doing his job as a Christian so why should he need to appologize for thinking and saying Christian things. If the Muslims don't like it ...tough. I don't beleive he should be appologizing for what he said that would be wrong. I agree with you Chris. The Pope was just qouting what an Emperor said many centuries ago. IMHO the Moslems just put the proof in the quote. To others in the forum! Who listens to the alphabit networks anyway? If there is no news on the day they broadcast, they just make up their own stories. ;D ;D
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Post by sciwriter on Sept 19, 2006 8:38:03 GMT -7
IMO the Pope haqs the right to say what he wants to say. Keep in mind that a Muslim fanatic (member of Turkish fascist: Grey wolves) tried to assassinate Pope John. Carl
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Post by pieter on Sept 20, 2006 7:20:10 GMT -7
IMO the Pope haqs the right to say what he wants to say. Keep in mind that a Muslim fanatic (member of Turkish fascist: Grey wolves) tried to assassinate Pope John. Carl At the order from Moscow KGB headquarters?
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Post by pieter on Sept 20, 2006 9:25:11 GMT -7
Palestinian sheiks march in W. Bank to protest Pope's speech
By The Associated Press
Dozens of Muslim clerics in black and blue robes marched Wednesday against Pope Benedict XVI in the West Bank city of Hebron, demanding that he make a clear apology for comments that Muslims around the world say insulted their religion.
"All this anger will not stop unless the pope apologizes to the entire Islamic world about what he said about our Prophet Muhammad," said Sheik Taissir Tamimi, a leader of the protest as the head of the Islamic court in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Muslims around the world have reacted angrily to a lecture given by the pope last week in Germany in which he cited a Medieval text that characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman," particularly "his command to spread by the sword the faith."
In the West Bank and Gaza, several churches were attacked and burned after the pope's comments, though the violence has subsided in recent days.
Benedict said Sunday that he was "deeply sorry" about the reaction to his remarks, and the quoted text did not reflect his own opinions. But many Muslims have said that was not enough.
"Nobody can touch our prophet," chanted the sheiks in Hebron as they held copies of the Muslim holy book, the Quran, in the air. "The Pope must apologize." They marched from the center of Hebron to the Cave of the Patriarchs, where Muslims, Christians and Jews believe the biblical forefathers are buried.
Tamimi urged his fellow Muslims in the Palestinian areas not to attack Christians or churches.
The pope said Wednesday that he has "deep respect" for Islam and hopes that his recent remarks lead to dialogue among religions.
"I hope that ... my deep respect for great religions, in particular for Muslims ... has emerged clearly," the pope said during his weekly audience at the Vatican.
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Post by sciwriter on Sept 20, 2006 13:24:08 GMT -7
Pieter, agreed! Why did KGB use a Turkish muslim fascist through Bulgarian secret service? Carl
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Post by pieter on Sept 20, 2006 16:42:54 GMT -7
Carl,
I have no idea, did they use a drug connection, from the Netherlands I know that the Grey wolves had connections with the Turkish maffia, Drugstrade to finance their organisation and connections with corrupt influential Turkish politicians and high rank officers of the Turkish army. The Grey Wolves has influence in the Turkish police too, because many Turkish cops are Grey Wolves member. There is a large Bulgarian minority in Turkey and a large Turkish minority in Bulgaria, so it was easy for the KGB to use the Bulgarian link?
This is just an idea, not a proven fact.
Pieter
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Post by constantine on Sept 21, 2006 4:11:13 GMT -7
Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manuel II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.
Hey! It's amazing and hypocritical quotation! The catholic church did all that it could to ruin the same Romaion (Byzantine) Empire before invasion of Turks and now, when islam approach to its culmination epoch, pope recall the words of poor Manuel :-)))
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Post by Bob S on Sept 21, 2006 8:08:57 GMT -7
Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manuel II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul. Hey! It's amazing and hypocritical quotation! The catholic church did all that it could to ruin the same RomaiƓn (Byzantine) Empire before invasion of Turks and now, when islam approach to its culmination epoch, pope recall the words of poor Manuel :-))) ;D Hello and welcome to the forum Constatine. We all hope you will have more input. If I am not mistaken, some of the Cruisaders decided to rob or extort some of Constatanople's wealth before moving on to Jeruslem. ;D
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Post by constantine on Sept 22, 2006 0:28:32 GMT -7
;D Hello and welcome to the forum Constatine. We all hope you will have more input. If I am not mistaken, some of the Cruisaders decided to rob or extort some of Constatanople's wealth before moving on to Jeruslem. ;D ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, yes you are right, it was during the Forth Crusade. The evidance of this we can see for example in Venice at St. Marco cathedral as a quadriga of horses stolen by Crusaders from Constantinopole's race track. And it was not only robbery, but real slaughter (Christians were murdered by Christians). After that Romaion Empire never rehabilitated oneself. And soon after European were forced to fight with Turks at Vienna. At the times of Manuel (150 years after) Romaion Empire was only a small piece of land. But the most tragedy was a created hostility between Orthodox and Catholic belivers.
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