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Post by pieter on Jul 4, 2010 4:56:39 GMT -7
But nothing beats Rio ofcourse:
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 6:22:11 GMT -7
Arlene, I don't have to go to Brasil, we have our Southern-Americans and their parties over here in the Netherands? Lot's of latin girls here in Arnhem and Amsterdam. In Amersfoort, a town between Amsterdam and Arnhem: In ArnhemIn UtrechtAmsterdamPieter So they can dance for you then.
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 6:25:37 GMT -7
But nothing beats Rio ofcourse: Why can these ladies do like Rio in your country? We do celebrated Mardi Grai in New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago and other cities too.
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Post by pieter on Jul 4, 2010 7:06:18 GMT -7
But nothing beats Rio ofcourse: Why can these ladies do like Rio in your country? We do celebrated Mardi Grai in New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago and other cities too. Because we have a lot of Latin-American communities in the Netherlands. In Amsterdam you have Brazilians, Cubans, Argentinians, Chilians, Mexicans, Columbians, Surinamese, Dutch Antilians, Venesuelians and etc. And actually, especially quite large Cuban, Chillian and Brazilian expat communities with their clubs, pubs and restaurants. I like the Mexican restaurants in Amsterdam and the Argentinian steak houses. The Dutch like many other Northern-European countries like the Mediteranian countries, climates and cultures, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece and etc. The Dutch had colonies in Southern America and the Caribbean, and the Dutch colony Suriname borders Brazil. The Southern-American culture of the Surinamese and the Caribbean Dutch Antilles influenced the Netherlands. Dutch people visited Brazil and Venesuela via their colonies. The Southern-American countries are former colonies of the countries the Dutch love, Spain and Portugal and their Islands, in the Ocean, the Canary Islands, Madeira the Portuguese archipelago that lies in the north Atlantic Ocean, in the West of Morocco and ofcourse the (Portugese) Azores. Like the Americans, Canadians and Austrialians developped English speaking cultures that are differant from Great-Britain, England, the Southern-Americans developped differant kind of Spanish and Portugese cultures. Brazil is more important than Portugal, and the Spanish speaking countries are larger than Spain, and have their distinct cultures. The Dutch, Germans, Scandinavians, Belgians and British are attracted to that cultures and countries like other Europeans too. On those islands the Latin-American culture is also present, because on those islands people meet Southern-Americans who moved back to their roots. On Tenerife and La Gomera I met people from Cuba and Venesuela who went back to the places their ancesters came from. In La Gomera the guitar player at the Moorish restaurant we took our diners, was from the Dominican Republic: The Canary Islands in the 18th to 19th centuryThe sugar-based economy of the Canary Islands faced stiff competition from Spain's American colonies. Crises in the sugar market in the 19th century caused severe recessions on the islands. A new cash crop, cochineal (cochinilla), came into cultivation during this time, saving the islands' economy. By the end of the 18th century, Canary Islanders had already emigrated to Spanish American territories, such as Havana, Veracruz, Santo Domingo, San Antonio, Texas and St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana These economic difficulties spurred mass emigration, primarily to the Americas, during the 19th and first half of the 20th century. From 1840 to 1890, as many as 40,000 Canary Islanders emigrated to Venezuela. Also, thousands of Canarians moved to Puerto Rico; the Spanish monarchy felt that Canarians would adapt to island life better than other immigrants from the mainland of Spain. Deeply entrenched traditions, such as the Mascaras Festival in the town of Hatillo, Puerto Rico, are an example of Canarian culture still preserved in Puerto Rico. Similarly, many thousands of Canarians emigrated to the shores of Cuba as well. During the Spanish-American War of 1898, the Spanish fortified the islands against possible American attack, but an attack never came. I love La Gomera
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 9:20:03 GMT -7
That is very interesting. I am so glad you wrote it.
Well, I am very surprised to hear this. I didn't know your Netherlands do have lot of Latinos People living there. They are calling Mexican, Spanish, Cuban, Latin and Portugal are same Latin but speak different languages. Do they speak German in Netherlands?
In U.S.A. they don't wants to speak English at all, they speak their Spanish anywhere they go. All Spanish People complaining about our English being too hard for them to learn. What about them living in Netherlands?
In America is: English is 1st Language. Spanish is 2nd language. So far I know.
I really loves the Mexican foods very much. I don't like spicy foods at all. Any Spanish foods are great and so tasty too. I do like Polish, Russian, Italians, German & French Foods very much.
I do studies Cultures and try to eat their foods too. But I only know that Spanish or Latino people do loves Light skins and light blue eyes and these women wanted to have children with Dutch men for their future children. I do have Spanish friends and they always tell me since I have light skin and blue eyes and they loves me as friends and co-workers too. They are great friend to be with. I had fun working with them. Sure I learned how to dance Spanish dance. Yes, dirty dance too. Heh, heh.
Have A Great Day!
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Post by pieter on Jul 4, 2010 10:37:53 GMT -7
That is very interesting. I am so glad you wrote it. Well, I am very surprised to hear this. I didn't know your Netherlands do have lot of Latinos People living there. They are calling Mexican, Spanish, Cuban, Latin and Portugal are same Latin but speak different languages. Do they speak German in Netherlands? In U.S.A. they don't wants to speak English at all, they speak their Spanish anywhere they go. All Spanish People complaining about our English being too hard for them to learn. What about them living in Netherlands? In America is: English is 1st Language. Spanish is 2nd language. So far I know. I really loves the Mexican foods very much. I don't like spicy foods at all. Any Spanish foods are great and so tasty too. I do like Polish, Russian, Italians, German & French Foods very much. I do studies Cultures and try to eat their foods too. But I only know that Spanish or Latino people do loves Light skins and light blue eyes and these women wanted to have children with Dutch men for their future children. I do have Spanish friends and they always tell me since I have light skin and blue eyes and they loves me as friends and co-workers too. They are great friend to be with. I had fun working with them. Sure I learned how to dance Spanish dance. Yes, dirty dance too. Heh, heh. Have A Great Day! Arlene, Compared to other immigrants the latin migration is limited. There are more Turks, Maroccans and people of Indonesian descent (because Indonesia was our colony too). These Muslim country migrants are more visible in the streets and squares of our towns and cities then the Latino's. Most people of Latin America are from Suriname and the Netherlands Antilles, which consists of two groups of islands that form part of the Lesser Antilles in the Caribbean Sea. The islands are Curaçao and Bonaire, which are just off the Venezuelan coast; and Sint Eustatius, Saba and Sint Maarten, which are located southeast of the Virgin Islands. These islands form an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The island of Aruba was part of the Netherlands Antilles until 1986, when it was granted status aparte, becoming yet another part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands as a separate country within the kingdom. There are living a lot of people from Curaçao, Bonaire and Aruba in the Netherlands. Some say half of the people of the Netherlands Antiles live in the Netherlands. They speak the language Pamiamento. Papiamento is a creole language derived from either Portuguese or Spanish with vocabulary influences from African languages, English, Dutch, and Arawak native languages. 50 thousand to 60 thousand Dutch Antialian people in the Netherlands speak Papiamento at home and in their community. Next to the Antillian population in the Netherlands there is also a significant Surinamese population in the Netherlands. In 2005 there were 328,300 Surinamese people living in the Netherlands, which is about 2% of the total population of the Netherlands, compared to 438,000 Surinamese in Suriname itself. It is a general thing that many dark (black or brown) haired and brown/black eyed Southern-Europeans, Latin-American people and colored people like white skinned people from Europe, the USA, Australia and other parts of the world where white people are. lighter skinned Creole people (of African and European heritage) are higher in statues than the brown or black people in the same country. In Suriname there was even a sort of racial war between the creole Surinamese Army and the black African Marons (Bosnegers, Bushnegro's called in Dutch in Suriname and the Nehterlands). It's like the Indian Caste system. Not institutionalysed but present. I think it is rediculous, because the latin women, wether, Mestizo (people of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry), Latin-European (The white Latin-Americans of Spanish, Portugese and Italian heritage who did not mix with native American people), Mulatto (a person of mixed black and white ancestry) or Zambo (individuals in the Americas who are of mixed African and Amerindian ancestry). In Suriname and Brazil you have beatiful people who are a mix of North-European, Native American, African, Asian (Chinese or Indonesian), Indian (Hindu), and Middle eastern (Lebanese) and Jewish heritage. A friend of mine has European, African and Native American blood. He looks black, one of his brothers looks like a Native American (Maya or Aztek) and another brother looks more like a European or colored guy (light brown skin and European features). What I want to say is that I like Blond, bley eyed, long women (that's the quality of the Netherlands and Scandinavia). Our tall women. But I like the pluriformity of mankind, the diversity and the richness of differant races, cultures, mixes of races, and the exchange between cultures in societies with diversity like the Netherlands, the USA, Brazil and Suriname. Mulatto girl Mestizo girl Zambo kidsWe in the Netherlands have the delicious Indonesian (Javanese) and Indo (Indo-European, half blood) cuisines and cultures. And after more than hundred years of mixing the diversity of the Indo-European people and culture in the Netherlands is growing. Because like your theory of the Latin people, Indo's prefere white European Dutch people above their own people for mariage, relations and sex. That's partly, because they want to be more Dutch then the native Dutch people, and they are actually native Dutch today too (because they have lived here for so long - many or some of them have never seen Indonesia, the home of part of their ancesters). It is like they prefer their children to be whiter than themselves and whiter than their parents and ancesters. It's a dangerous theory of mine, but I witness it and heard it from Indo people themselves. An Indo colleage of mine told me that his dad wasn't pleased when he dated a beautiful Indo girl who was darker then him and his parents, because his father would have been pleased if he had dated a blond, blue eyed or brunette Dutch girl. His father abandoned the Indo culture and Dutch culture ruled in the house of this Indo colleage of mine. Pieter
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Post by karl on Jul 4, 2010 11:03:07 GMT -7
That is very interesting. I am so glad you wrote it. Well, I am very surprised to hear this. I didn't know your Netherlands do have lot of Latinos People living there. They are calling Mexican, Spanish, Cuban, Latin and Portugal are same Latin but speak different languages. Do they speak German in Netherlands? In U.S.A. they don't wants to speak English at all, they speak their Spanish anywhere they go. All Spanish People complaining about our English being too hard for them to learn. What about them living in Netherlands? In America is: English is 1st Language. Spanish is 2nd language. So far I know. I really loves the Mexican foods very much. I don't like spicy foods at all. Any Spanish foods are great and so tasty too. I do like Polish, Russian, Italians, German & French Foods very much. I do studies Cultures and try to eat their foods too. But I only know that Spanish or Latino people do loves Light skins and light blue eyes and these women wanted to have children with Dutch men for their future children. I do have Spanish friends and they always tell me since I have light skin and blue eyes and they loves me as friends and co-workers too. They are great friend to be with. I had fun working with them. Sure I learned how to dance Spanish dance. Yes, dirty dance too. Heh, heh. Have A Great Day! Arlene I was of laughing to my self whilst reading of your experience in Latin foods and dancing..There was/is some Latin clubs in Hamburg. For as curiosity was to lead me, was to drop in for a drink or two and leave. In short time, were to be-friend some Cuban people, this then to lead to learning some of their dancing and various foods of Cuba. It was not only interesting and adventuresome, but a learning curve in their manner of life. Two situations that were/are difficult for me is: I am not very linguistic, the other: my coordinations is less then perfect. The cumbria was fine and meringue was ok. But, the most devastating, was attempting to learn the Argentine Tango...For that was a disaster in loud print. What was a lesson though to me, was: Learning to share in family values. For all of my life, was with-out a close family other then of early life with my Auntie and two female cousins in Dänemark. I was not accustomed to this closeness, and it created a considerable amount of hesitation of acceptance. There were also besides the Cuban people, some Puerto Rican and Argentine people in attendance at these clubs. The Argentines were Italian immigranten to Argentine and easy to understand in their manners. The puerto Ricans kept to them selves fairly much, whilst the Cubans were some what more aggressive, but still very nice. My Cuban friends were though some what irritated for my lack of language skills, but other wise were very forgiving. Perhaps you may think this is above, non-sense. My reason of post reply was one of sharing of experiences. It is my sincere hope you will not be offended with my interception with personal experience exchange. If so, I shan't not intercept in future. Karl
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 11:20:13 GMT -7
Well, Pieter.
This is very beautiful and interesting story you have written. It is true what you said. Pictures of this women are so beautiful.
I didn't think Netherlands and other countries do have all kind of nationalities too. I guess their ancestors have been living there years back. No wonder why they don't want to visit their ancestor's homeland. My mother didn't want to go back and never went back until she passed away.
My mother was born in USA and moved to Poland when she was 1 1/2 years old. She was raised in Poland till she was 17 years old and left Poland in 1937. Good thing her sister & Mom missed German communists. She said there were lot of soldiers walking around in her village. She was living so close to concentration camp and she and her families didn't know about it.
My mother and her siblings are dark skins which is why her grandparents didn't like them. They look more like French or Italian or Spanish. Mom was beautiful woman with dark olive skin and brown eyes and my father felled in love with her. Dad is little bit light skin than Mom and he have light blue eyes. My sister is dark skin with dark blue eyes, my brother is little bit light skin than them and he have light blue eyes. I am only one is very light skin with light blue eyes. Lot of people thought I was adopted and telling me I looked Sweden or Swiss but not Polish. Oh Well. We tried to get along no matter what color of our skins. How strange?
We did have lot of French, Italian, German, Sweden, Swiss, Spain and Turkey settlers living in Poland thousand years ago. That is why lot of Polish people have different colors of skins, hairs and eyes. Which amaze me how they look? Nice looking and some aren't. We are confused because we wanted to know Who We Are?
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 11:32:34 GMT -7
Well Karl:
That is good story you're telling me. I do like to hear it.
Are you still dancing Tango? I did dance tango before. Right now I am doing Spanish dance at home everyday to keep my shape. Just shake your hip and swing around your body and arms. I do hope you know what I meant. I heard this is very good exercise for all of us.
Yes, there are lot of Polish, Italian, Greek people living in Argentina. I don't know why Spanish music do relaxing our minds and moods. I find it very calming and relaxing. Do you think so?
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Post by pieter on Jul 4, 2010 13:17:46 GMT -7
Well, Pieter. This is very beautiful and interesting story you have written. It is true what you said. Pictures of this women are so beautiful. I didn't think Netherlands and other countries do have all kind of nationalities too. I guess their ancestors have been living there years back. No wonder why they don't want to visit their ancestor's homeland. My mother didn't want to go back and never went back until she passed away. My mother was born in USA and moved to Poland when she was 1 1/2 years old. She was raised in Poland till she was 17 years old and left Poland in 1937. Good thing her sister & Mom missed German communists. She said there were lot of soldiers walking around in her village. She was living so close to concentration camp and she and her families didn't know about it. My mother and her siblings are dark skins which is why her grandparents didn't like them. They look more like French or Italian or Spanish. Mom was beautiful woman with dark olive skin and brown eyes and my father felled in love with her. Dad is little bit light skin than Mom and he have light blue eyes. My sister is dark skin with dark blue eyes, my brother is little bit light skin than them and he have light blue eyes. I am only one is very light skin with light blue eyes. Lot of people thought I was adopted and telling me I looked Sweden or Swiss but not Polish. Oh Well. We tried to get along no matter what color of our skins. How strange? We did have lot of French, Italian, German, Sweden, Swiss, Spain and Turkey settlers living in Poland thousand years ago. That is why lot of Polish people have different colors of skins, hairs and eyes. Which amaze me how they look? Nice looking and some aren't. We are confused because we wanted to know Who We Are? Arlene, Thank you for your interesting family story. It was a good thing that your mothers sister & Mom missed the German Nazi's, by two years, leaving Poland in 1937 when Poland was attacked and occupied by the German Nazi's in 1939. Arlene before the immigrants came to the Netherlands in the fiftees, sixtees and seventees there were very dark skinned Dutch people with black or dark brown hair and black eyes or dark brown eyes too. This is due to Spanish and French influence. During the Eighty Years' War, or Dutch War of Independence, (1568–1648) began as a revolt against Philip II (king) of Spain, the overlord of the Habsburg Netherlands, Holland was part of Spain. The Low Lands (Pays Bas), the Netherlands (Holland, Zeeland, Friesland, Gelderland, Overijssel, Groningen, Utrecht, the original seven provinces of the Netherlands) then liberated itself of the Spanish rule. But due to Spanish atrrocities, rape, plunder and terror parts of the Netherlands were destroyed and Spanish genes were left in parts of the Netherlands. Ofcourse there will have been love affairs between Spanish soldiers and Dutch women too. My Dutch grandmother was darker than my Polish grandmother and grandfather. She had long black hair, was very pale like Spanish ladies and had very dark eyes. We don't know where it comes from, but she might have French Huegenot (French Calvinist Protestants who fled to the Nehterlands and became Dutch citizens) or Spanish blood. Her darkness isn't Dutch. Her ancesters were partly Protestant farmers from the South-Western Zeeland islands. There is the Spanish influence. Because a lot of farming people there are smaller and darker then the blond, blue eyed Dutch farmers and city/town people from the rest of the Netherlands. Ofcourse Dutch internal immigration from the Holland area to Zeeland changed Zeeland too, but traditional the Zeeland people are darker. Next to the Spanish and French influence in the Netherlands, like in the rest of Europe in the 20th century you had other European immigration of Southern-, Central- and Eastern-European people who were darker then the tall blond and brunette Dutch people. Portugese, new Spanish people, Italians, Poles, some Hungarians (who fled Hungary in 1956), Czechoslovakian people (who fled Czechoslovakia in 1968) and (Southern-) French people who came to work here. While the image of the Netherlands and so the Dutch people was of blond, blue eyed tall people, the reality was more pluriform, more diverse, like our families. My sister is light skinned, has light blue eyes and blond hair, while my parents and I are dark people, with brown eyes. My sisters blondness comes from the Polish genes, not from the Dutch side. My Dutch aunt, my fathers sister has dark hair and eyes too, like her mother, my Dutch grandmother with the beautiful long black hair. My Polish grandfathers Schlachtza family came from North-East Poland, very near the Lithuanian border. My mother believes that we might have Lithuanian, Baltic blood, because there were a lot of Poles living in Lithuania too. His family lived there. My grandfahter (Dziadek) studied in Kiev, before the first world war. Next to the Spanish, French Huegenot, Flemish influences of the past centuries, there was also the Jewish influence of the Portugese Sephardic jews that fled to the Netherlands and formed the Dutch jewish elite of merchants in the Netherlands, Suriname, the Dutch Antilles, South-Africa (then the Southern Cape settlement) and New York when it was stil New Amsterdam. Later the Central- and Eastern European Ashkenazi jews came. Some jews mixed with the Native Dutch, some of them converted to Protestantism or Catholicism, others had families of mixed Christian-Jewish faiths. But most faiths were segregated due to the Pillarisation system. Baruch de Spinoza, the famous Dutch philosopher was of Portugese Sephardic jewish descent. In the second half of the 20th century the dark infleunce is more openly ehtnic, cultural and racial. Indo-Europeans, Dutch of foreign descent, the Dutchman is becomming more exotic. But the majority is stil blond, tall and blue eyed! ;D Because I am dark I like the blond and redhead ladies, next to the beautiful brunette, colored and black ladies ofcourse. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Tatjana Simic, Dutch-Croatian actress. Famous in the Netherlands and Flanders, because of her appearance in sitcoms and Dutch movies. Victoria Koblenko, Dutch-Ukrainian actress Maruschka Detmers Hollywood star Famke Janssen Dutch-Moroccan television and film actress Pleuni Touw, Dutch actess, loved by the older generation Dutch Carice Van Houten, Dutch movie actress Sophie Hilbrand, Dutch tv star. For me a typical Dutch woman. In her looks and her stile and character.Pieter
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Post by karl on Jul 4, 2010 13:19:17 GMT -7
Arlene
With your question of my self dancing Tango,,no, my wife is not very fond of latin music, she is very conservative, she enjoys very much of Mexican food and enjoys the Mexican atmosphere of various restaurants. As a person, for my self, if it is food, it is good.
I do understand your reason of latin dancing, for it should be good exercise with the body motions and various movements to the rhythm. For as also that you have made mention, the music is good to listion. For my self, I do enjoy good Cuban music and Argentine. For it is not crazy as some of the popular music of say,,Colombian, Venezuela and otheres seem to be. I think perhaps it is to the individual taste that is the test..
Other then a few recordings, I have lost a vast number of boxes of recording disk through travel. Most I do not miss, some I wish situations had been different, but these may be located as time allows.
The only latin situation that has stuck to my self, has been a small bit of Spanish speaking, and that is some what little. With travel, a small bit of Arabic enough to ask for direction whilst traveling, a very small bit of Russian primarly work related.
I have found by experience, if whilst in anothers country, to try to speak their language is much appreciated by those citizens. And, it is fun for both I think.
Karl
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 16:21:23 GMT -7
Peiter!
Thank you for writing stories about Netherlands. I noticed you are great writer and Globe traveler, you must have travel alot to visit countries. I am not good writer and hope you understand me.
Netherlands do have beautiful women all nationalities. Wow! I am wondering if Germany do have all kinds of people like Netherlands. I know Austria, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland and German do speak German. They do have same customs like Christmas Traditions & holidays. They all are good people. I have German & Swiss brother-in-law who is married to my sister. His mother came from Germany and his father came from Switzerland.
U.S.A. do have all kind of people too. We try to get along with them. They do have restaurants, bakeries and dancing.
Netherland should be proud of their country.
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Post by arlene on Jul 4, 2010 16:24:20 GMT -7
Arlene With your question of my self dancing Tango,,no, my wife is not very fond of latin music, she is very conservative, she enjoys very much of Mexican food and enjoys the Mexican atmosphere of various restaurants. As a person, for my self, if it is food, it is good. I do understand your reason of latin dancing, for it should be good exercise with the body motions and various movements to the rhythm. For as also that you have made mention, the music is good to listion. For my self, I do enjoy good Cuban music and Argentine. For it is not crazy as some of the popular music of say,,Colombian, Venezuela and otheres seem to be. I think perhaps it is to the individual taste that is the test.. Other then a few recordings, I have lost a vast number of boxes of recording disk through travel. Most I do not miss, some I wish situations had been different, but these may be located as time allows. The only latin situation that has stuck to my self, has been a small bit of Spanish speaking, and that is some what little. With travel, a small bit of Arabic enough to ask for direction whilst traveling, a very small bit of Russian primarly work related. I have found by experience, if whilst in anothers country, to try to speak their language is much appreciated by those citizens. And, it is fun for both I think. Karl Oh well, it is okay to listen and enjoy foods. Thanks for writing beautiful story too. I did enjoy my day today.
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Post by pieter on Jul 4, 2010 16:24:56 GMT -7
Netherland should be proud of their country. Thank, you, I am and we (Dutch) are!
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Post by pieter on Jul 4, 2010 17:06:31 GMT -7
I know Austria, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland and German do speak German. They do have same customs like Christmas Traditions & holidays. They all are good people. In the Netherlands we speak Dutch. Dutch is also spoken in the Flanders region of Belgium, the Netherlands Antiles and in Suriname. Dutch might sound to some foreigners like German, but it is a differant language. Many Germans don't understand Dutch. In the past many Dutch spoke French, German and English. Today English is the most popular and widely spoken foreign language. The first foreign language. German is the second foreign language spoken in the Netherlands. And ofcourse many Dutch people speak German, but often with a Dutch accent, which is recognisable German as such. Two Dutch tv stars were and are very popular in Germany, Rudi Carell and Linda de Mol. Both speak what we call in Dutch coal German. You haer that it is not their native language. But the Germans like them and probably find their accent accepteble. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Here Linda in Dutch: The Dutch languageDutch (About this sound Nederlands is a West Germanic language spoken by over 22 million people as a native language and over 5 million people as a second language. Most native speakers live in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Suriname, with smaller groups of speakers in parts of France, Germany and several former Dutch colonies. It is closely related to other West Germanic languages (e.g., English, West Frisian and German) and somewhat more remotely to the North Germanic languages. Dutch is the parent language of South-African language Afrikaans and of several creole languages. The Dutch Language Union coordinates actions of the Dutch, Flemish and Surinamese authorities in linguistic issues, language policy, language teaching and literature.
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