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Post by arlene on Jul 5, 2010 5:53:51 GMT -7
Thank You Pieter for explaining alot to me. Your postings caught my attentions and you sound like great teacher.
I just found out one of my ancestors came from Netherlands who marry my ancestors in Poland and I am interesting to know more about Dutch. Holland & Netherland are same, are they? It is confusing anyway. I had help from my relatives from Poland & Germany. They are also my 4th cousins who are doing Family Trees. They are looking for families who are living in Chicago, IL. We are helping each other. I enjoy doing Family Trees and have met new cousins Polish onliners but not in person. Maybe we will in future.
I did copy your postings about Netherland and will keep as my Family Trees. I do hope I find more informations soon.
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Post by karl on Jul 5, 2010 7:43:42 GMT -7
Pieter My goodness but you bring back memories with Rudi Carrell ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) I liked his humour for he made a person feel like a human being upon escaping a loused stinking day. I think it is for the manner he presented as being a human being him self. It is such a shame he was to die in the manner of cancer, I am sorry.... Karl
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Post by pieter on Jul 6, 2010 0:34:25 GMT -7
Thank You Pieter for explaining alot to me. Your postings caught my attentions and you sound like great teacher. I just found out one of my ancestors came from Netherlands who marry my ancestors in Poland and I am interesting to know more about Dutch. Holland & Netherland are same, are they? It is confusing anyway. I had help from my relatives from Poland & Germany. They are also my 4th cousins who are doing Family Trees. They are looking for families who are living in Chicago, IL. We are helping each other. I enjoy doing Family Trees and have met new cousins Polish onliners but not in person. Maybe we will in future. I did copy your postings about Netherland and will keep as my Family Trees. I do hope I find more informations soon. Arlene, Yes, Holland and the Netherlands are the same. Hollland is actually the core or the most important part of the Netherlands in the West of the Country, the provinces North-Holland (Noord-Holland) and South-Holland (Zuid-Holland) form the territory of Holland. Holland is often used as a replacement for the Netherlands, because it is probably a easier name. The larger cities and towns lay in Holland; Amsterdam, Haarlem (which gave the New York Harlem it's name), The Hague, Leiden, Rotterdam, and the historical towns of Gouda (Cheese town) and Delft (of the Delft blue porcelain). Holland (North & South) is the most powerful, financial-economical important and populated part of the Netherlands ![](http://www.evenementenvandaag.nl/nederland/provincies.jpg) Dutch Mennonite settlers went to Poland centuries ago and formed small settlements there. Like the German buergher (towns people of Polish cities) they were part of Poland as minorities. Pieter
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 6, 2010 6:58:15 GMT -7
The country Pieter comes from (well, half of Pieter ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) is very complicated, indeed. The peple of Holland live in the Netherlands and speak Dutch. ;D ;D
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Post by pieter on Jul 6, 2010 8:51:00 GMT -7
The country Pieter comes from (well, half of Pieter ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) is very complicated, indeed. The peple of Holland live in the Netherlands and speak Dutch. ;D ;D Yes, with a Polish mother and a Dutch father my genes come from Central- and Western-Europe, and you could say that there is 1400 km between my genes. Germany lies between my Dutch and Polish roots. ;D ;D When you look at the map the Eastern Saxonian provinces Gelderland, OverIjssel, Drenthe and Groningen have German influences, because the same dailects are spoken over the border in Germany. And the East-Dutch dialects of these provinces are going in the direction of Low German or Low Saxon ( Plattdüütsch, Nedderdüütsch, Standard German Plattdeutsch, Niederdeutsch; Dutch Nedersaksisch). We say the Dutch Low Saxon dialects of these four provinces. The Southern (Roman-Catholic) provinces of Noord-Brabant and Limburg have a more Belgian ( Flemish) culture, dialects and way of living. Some Brabant and Limburg people would prefer to belong to Belgium or Flanders, because they have more in common with their Flemish Brabant and Limburg brethern and sisters. Belgian Flanders region has a Brabant and Limburg too. ![](http://www.uitmuntend.de/img/prentenboek/aardrijkskunde/belgie_provincies.gif) My parents live in the light green South-Western Zeeland province (New Zeeland got it's name from this province), and I live in the larger Green colored Gelderland Province in the city Arnhem of Market Garden (known of the movie " A Bridge to far"). I studied in Amsterdam in North-Holland and The Hague ( Den Haag) in South-Holland. Pieter
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Post by arlene on Jul 7, 2010 6:04:35 GMT -7
Hi Pieter:
I am letting you know I read your posts, seem like German, Polish & Russian travels alot too. After I read this and I went to Russian Timelines. Russian did have Wars with Netherlands and Poland and Germany. Now I think I could be Dutch, German, Austria & Polish. Maybe Russian. Don't forget they settled and married someone they loves and had children in Poland. I also found out Sweden have been war with Poland and settled in there too. No wonder friends of mine telling me they aren't Polish, they are all nationalities. I can say we are all mixtures. We all do look beautiful and still don't know who we are. Who we belong and where we should be living?
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Post by pieter on Jul 8, 2010 5:19:53 GMT -7
Hi Pieter: I am letting you know I read your posts, seem like German, Polish & Russian travels alot too. After I read this and I went to Russian Timelines. Russian did have Wars with Netherlands and Poland and Germany. Now I think I could be Dutch, German, Austria & Polish. Maybe Russian. Don't forget they settled and married someone they loves and had children in Poland. I also found out Sweden have been war with Poland and settled in there too. No wonder friends of mine telling me they aren't Polish, they are all nationalities. I can say we are all mixtures. We all do look beautiful and still don't know who we are. Who we belong and where we should be living? Arlene, My sister who lives in South-Africa since 1992 has become a South-African English speaking lady with Dutch roots. However she said that when she travels in South-Africa and other parts of the world she always sees Dutch people everywhere. The Dutch are Gobetrotters of Europe. The Netherlands never had a direct war with Russia. But I have to admid that Dutch traitors, henchmen of the Nazi's, the Dutch SS fought on the Eastern-front with the German SS and Wehrmacht against the Red army of the Russians and the Polish (The Polish First Army (Polish: Pierwsza Armia Wojska Polskiego) and Ukrainian armies on the Estern front. But that was not an official war of the Dutch against the Russians, but a German-Russian war in which a Dutch minority fought on the German side. Yes, the Swedish invasion of Poland was a disaster for Poland, due to the devastation, long term depression and loss of propperty and lives it brought. It took the Poland of that time a while to repair itself. The Poles are a very settled and rooted people who are connected to their history, land/country, culture and national faith, the Polish Roman-Catholic church. Like the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians have their Lutheranian Protestant state chruches, you could nearly speak of the Polish state church, due to the influence of the Polish church on the Polish society (people, pupils, students, adults and officials), politics, spiritual life and communities. I don't judge that. I say it without a negative connotation or feeling. You have many types of Polish Catholics, like you have many kind of Poles, from the way they look (North-, South-, West-, Central-, and Eastern European, Semitic -Jewish or Arab-, asian - The Polish Tartar Muslims -, Armenian, Georgian, Bulgarian, German/Dutch influences, Czech-Slovakian or Ukrainian/Russian/Belarussian influences - the Greek-Catholic and Eastern-Orthodox minorities in Poland, the Baltic element in the North-East [Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian] and etc.). My mother of Polish descent already told me that there is not a typical type of Pole, because there are so many differant kind of Poles; blond, blue eyed like the Dutch and Germans, the dark slavic types - brunettes or black hair and dark eyes, Hungarian, Bulgarian or Armenian looking Poles (like in Germany the dark Bavarian of the South, who look differant from the tall blond scandinavian Germans from Schleswich-Hollstein in the North). Probably the Poles look more diverse than the original native Dutch people in the Netherlands. Pieter
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 8, 2010 6:32:18 GMT -7
Vey well said Pieter. The phenotype mixture typical for Central Europe is sometimes well demonstrated when dark-haired parents have light-haired offspirngs
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Post by indianamike on Jul 8, 2010 10:00:13 GMT -7
Our youngest son, married a fine, white, young lady, from South Africa, who is now part Polish, by marriage.
Mike
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Post by pieter on Jul 8, 2010 10:27:24 GMT -7
Vey well said Pieter. The phenotype mixture typical for Central Europe is sometimes well demonstrated when dark-haired parents have light-haired offspirngs ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ;D ;D ![](http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq256/tuftapro/varia/za%20gatki/IMG_5745.jpg) Nice family photo, sympathetic family! Mother, father and son. Is that you Tufta, in the middle?
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Post by arlene on Jul 8, 2010 11:02:59 GMT -7
Wow, there are all kinds of people with different colors of skins, hairs and colors of eyes too. Tall or Short. I know there is Black people who also speak Polish and I was so surprised to know. They even lives in Poland not in Africa. How strange? They even eat all kind of Polish Foods and loves Polish sausages. Fresh and Smoke one.
Well anyway Netherlands Soccer teams are winning well. Good Luck!
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 8, 2010 11:30:41 GMT -7
Vey well said Pieter. The phenotype mixture typical for Central Europe is sometimes well demonstrated when dark-haired parents have light-haired offspirngs ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ;D ;D ![](http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq256/tuftapro/varia/za%20gatki/IMG_5745.jpg) Nice family photo, sympathetic family! Mother, father and son. Is that you Tufta, in the middle? Yes!
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Post by Nictoshek on Jul 8, 2010 14:11:00 GMT -7
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 11, 2010 11:57:48 GMT -7
Cheers to all from Wilno (Vilnius), Lithuania! Pieter, I am relaxing with the Holland-Spain match. I am keeping my fingers crossed for your team.
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Post by karl on Jul 11, 2010 13:15:06 GMT -7
Pieter
Here Here! my fingers are crossed for you!
Karl
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