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Post by Pawian on Jan 9, 2008 9:14:46 GMT -7
I am learning. Thank you gentlemen! The PCF doesn't stand for Polish Culture Forum. It stands for Provocations Continual Forum, yeah? ;D ;D ;D Sometimes. Provocations are needed to stir still waters where nothing happens and life is slowly dying.... Even Pawian`s provocations have their limit. Then Pawian becomes seriously angry!!! Some pictures are intransferable. E.g., Ioana`s photos of Warsaw from her travel site can`t be pasted into our forum directly, only by links. Accept it as it is. It`s life.
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Post by Pawian on Jan 9, 2008 9:41:12 GMT -7
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Post by bescheid on Jan 9, 2008 12:24:08 GMT -7
Bravo!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What??? You are applauding Charles for his Bundeswehr invasion of Breslau? Look at German-made main battle "Leopard" tanks that Poles captured after the German occupation finished. Now they are Polish!! They are a bit old but will suffice for a while. The victory parade with once German tanks In this way Poles continue the tradition of capturing and using German tanks. During Warsaw Rising a few German heavy armour were successfully used against their producers too: Good photos of parade with our old worn out machines.. The Leopard as you mention, is old but good. Those things were donated out. Notice the heavy smoke trail of diesel smoke? that is from opening up to maximum, the fuel injectors for compensation of worn cylinder bores to bring the motor up to power. The Panther {PzKpfw-v} was and is, an excellent design with a very powerful main Kannon of 75MM, this design was a Krupp designed taper bore for very high muzzle velocity. We used those to make long range mush out of the American and those nice juicy Russian tanken for target practice. The design was very faulty in fuel transfer system. It would leak petrol very severely. The last though, the cute one, is a Czech design, a {Hetzer Panzer jäger}{tank hunter killer}. It was a very excellent design and well constructed of good materials. At present, it is most attractive for foregn sales of our equipment to the Turkisch goverment {they enjoy to buy every thing}. Good photos! Charles
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Post by valpomike on Jan 9, 2008 13:45:10 GMT -7
Charles,
Do you have one?
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by bescheid on Jan 9, 2008 17:21:30 GMT -7
Charles, Do you have one? Michael Dabrowski Haaa, no Michael, those things are cold in winter, hot in summer, they stink of diesel fumes. The operator as you notice with his head sticking out to see whilst driving? Ok, the turrant must be locked secured, for if that turrant is rotated whilst the operator is sticking his head up, his head will no longer be attached to his shoulders, it will be taken off and will roll off smile and all. The main Kannon as fired, has the effect of some person striking your helmet with a very large hammer. It is a concussion a person will long remember. If you will observe closely the track and idler wheel. Ok, that darn track is nothing but absolute labour and sweat. For it must be adjusted after the prescribed usage. If perhaps you are not a user of vulgar language, I will guarantee in short time big time quick, you will. For the adjustment of track, is a user of men. It will take 3 fellows with knowledge for man handling the track pin for which ever link that must be removed, then use of hydraulic track retractor to bring the track together close enough for the fellows to adjust the idle wheel adjustment. This is all well and good with nice adjustment. But, the situation arrives whilst in maneuvours, at speed, under full power, with a sharp turn and suspension in full compression, a track is thrown. Well, you have the photo impression! Charles
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Post by valpomike on Jan 9, 2008 17:32:38 GMT -7
Charles,
How do you know so much on them, did you drive one in the war?
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by livia on Jan 10, 2008 0:35:22 GMT -7
Bravo!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What??? You are applauding Charles for his Bundeswehr invasion of Breslau? Pah-viah-annnnn I am applauding both Michael and Charles for going the humor way. I am not a tank specialist, really. All I can say is WOW, that machine must be able to kill a lot of people in an instant! But I liked Charles story about tankmen's life ;D
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Post by bescheid on Jan 10, 2008 9:24:43 GMT -7
Charles, How do you know so much on them, did you drive one in the war? Michael Dabrowski Michael As a young conscript, I served in the Panzer {after Grundwehrdienst} as you know, we serve for 9 months before release. 3 months training in initial training, then for my self, 2 additional months at Kampftruppenschule {2}[Panzer training school] then as a crew member in the Panzer. At this time, I was not in any war. Although if allowed with an order, yes, we would have loved to cross over the East boarder and tangle with the Russians. We were young, enthusiastic and unaware of the actual realities of panzer combat. It was not until after my conscript time was expired {it was against the law to send a conscript into a combat zone} that I was offered and accepted an extension of military time, that I was in Kosovo the 1st time and that was with military intelligence in co-operation with NATO. But, to the topic. Our equipment as with us, are used very hard in practice. If the equipment breaks in practice, it is better to learn of the weakness before placed into actual combat use. As a crew member, there are 4 of us including that of the commander of the vehicle. The remainder of us 3 must know and be proficient for all operations of the Panzer {communications/weapons and use/ vehicle capabilities/fuel use and range-both hard surface and combat terrain capabilities} and freedom of thinking, for not always the conditions of use are listed for every situation. As a noten: Our duty rotation in the vehicle-my impression on initial duty assigned position as vehicle operator. Not a good impression. The vehicle is big/heavy {42.000 Kg} the lives of my fellow crewman are at mercy of my skill, we are operating as a team with 3 other panzer vehicles. With the hatches closed down for combat readiness, I do not see a darn thing out side, with out use of some very small glass prisms, I do not have vision of the exact front of the vehicle, only the length and beyond. My directions are relayed through my ear phones from the commander in the turret. What he directs me to do, I do with out reservation. Now with the above knowledge: imagine your self, whilst as the operator, you are directed to back park that very large powerful monster with only the directions given to you through your ear phones.. The initial few experiences of this, is a guarantee that your uniform will be stinking sweat from your brow through your boots. Mine was, and I am not ashamed to say.. Charles
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Post by Mary on Jan 10, 2008 9:32:37 GMT -7
Charles,
Thank you for the great description of your young military training. It was rather eye-opening for those like me who have never had the opportunity, nor would want to.
It is obvious that your team must have complete trust of each other.
Thank you,
Mary
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Post by bescheid on Jan 10, 2008 11:44:01 GMT -7
Charles, Thank you for the great description of your young military training. It was rather eye-opening for those like me who have never had the opportunity, nor would want to. It is obvious that your team must have complete trust of each other. Thank you, Mary Dear Mary What a very nice reply and very much appreciated, thank you In reality, I really do hesitate to place this experieinces on the forum, for one, it feels as if of bragging of that I am not. Thank you... Charles
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Post by Pawian on Jan 10, 2008 12:00:16 GMT -7
In reality, I really do hesitate to place this experieinces on the forum, for one, it feels as if of bragging of that I am not. Charles Yes, some people are so distrustful hahahahahaha
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Post by Pawian on Jan 10, 2008 12:01:25 GMT -7
I am not a tank specialist, really. All I can say is WOW, that machine must be able to kill a lot of people in an instant! But I liked Charles story about tankmen's life ;D I prefered "4 tankisty and sobaka." I love animals!
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Post by livia on Jan 10, 2008 12:49:41 GMT -7
I am not a tank specialist, really. All I can say is WOW, that machine must be able to kill a lot of people in an instant! But I liked Charles story about tankmen's life ;D I prefered "4 tankisty and sobaka." I love animals! Men seem to have it universally. They like the gangs with dogs, no matter if in a boat or a tank.
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Post by Pawian on Jan 10, 2008 14:05:49 GMT -7
So you de-idealize a picture of Poland reminding the children fighting some 70 years ago... Children are only a part of the whole series. Read what was before them, wait for the continuation and then judge... So you suggest we should only talk about the bright side of Polish life? Count me out then. hahahaha I don`t agree. Pawiem narodów jesteś i papugą. Just watch the news sometimes. I will. Germany is a nice country and it is gentlemanly to speak nicely of it in the Polish forum, isn`t it? The commander of the unit who accepted an underage boy. We probably won`t reach an agreement on this. I stick to my opinion that Polish controversy is a good title. Yes, they are. Can you imagine that Germans did sth against the law? Hitler said "From 16 to 60" and they dutifully carried out the order. The point is that if 12-year-olds were accepetd into combat units, why not 10 or 8 year-olds too? What was the age limit? If the 12 year-old boys had gotten killed or wounded, would their commanders have started drafting 10, 8 or even 5 year-old children to fighting units? Look at this. I think it looks shocking and horrifying, that`s all. Why do Poles erect such monuments? Because they are abnormal. And self-provocation too.
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Post by livia on Jan 10, 2008 14:44:35 GMT -7
I never suggested we should only talk about the bright side of Polish life. I pointed that your provocations in this specific forum are... excuse me... useless, mistargeted. My opinion only. I rarely watch the news, true. Germany is a very nice country indeed. . The commander of the unit who accepted an underage boy was informed by the boy he's 19 years old. Polish controversy maybe a good title but there're hardly any 'Polish controversies' in the thread. Yes I can imagine Germans doing something against the law. The 12-year-olds were not accepted into combat units as a rule. Some young boys, orphans or runaways who couldn't reach home anyway, 'served' with Armia Krajowa. They had food there and were cared for. Yes, the monument in Podwale looks shocking and horrifying. That's what it stands there for. So you suggest we should only have the monuments about bright sides of Polish life? Yes we are abnormal. That is why we are still there. Pawian, I think my limit of responding to provocations is already passed for January Besides you've turned to more than occasionally telling me what in your opinion I should do to agree with your point. Read, watch and so on. I would prefer some real arguments if so happens that we discuss another problem. And tomorrow morning I am leaving for a oh-how-wonderful North East of our beautiful land. Be back on Monday. Pa! ;D ;D ;D
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