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Post by Jaga on Nov 26, 2005 10:10:38 GMT -7
This poll was inspired by the post about Kaczynski visiting America before EU. Here is also one of the articles about: culture.polishsite.us/articles/art119.htmlThe Attitudes of Poles towards the USA - Why Poles love America? how I see it!
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Post by bescheid on Nov 26, 2005 13:07:16 GMT -7
Hi Jaga As a non-Polish person, I did not participate in the pole. With only the personal observation though, I may only give as an observation. The differance between Polish/American feelings. As feelings, may I qualifie this as an intrinsic meaning, that of expectation/fulfilment of life. In other words, as a private person man/woman, how do we reflect as to our statuse in life. Our work, salary and cost of living. Our daily life, personal cost for what we demand as quality of life. Our families, what we expect, and receieve. My reflections of a difference between, Polish/American, well. No difference.. I have found as a personal studie, no actual difference. It is so simular, as to be just as one. My personal feeling is this: Polish train of thought, is so much not so different from the American train of thought as to be just not defineable. My thoughts in this framework is this: If no diffence, then, they must be the same! I will thoughtfully include the url of the Polish Embassy of: www.polandembassy.org/This would be the official thought. But, for the actual fact, it is with people, and this is what life is about, just people....Our love of our loved ones, our work, our selves, and our, lifes partner, husbands and wives. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Nov 26, 2005 14:59:39 GMT -7
I had a hard nut to crack with my choice. All of these answers are close to thruth. But I chose the same values. It occured to me that what Poles have always admired in America is freedom. For the last 300 years, Poland has had troubles with its identity. It used to appear or vanish from the map of Europe. The issue of freedom for Poland was raised and debated through centuries. Having no freedom at all or a very limited one, Poles have always admired the US as a country of free people. In America you were free from political oppression. You were free to make money. You could feel free in American vast space. Even moral constraints seemed lighter in America.
Americans really love their personal and national freedom. So do Poles.
The system of values looks the same.
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Post by forza on Nov 26, 2005 17:19:09 GMT -7
Poles love America because of Hollywood. If it wasn't for movies we wouldn't know America. Correction: That is we wouldn't think we know America.
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Post by jimpres on Nov 26, 2005 21:16:29 GMT -7
Forza, I'm afraid the Hollywood America only exists on film. The rest of us work hard like the Poles. You need to talk to the people in America not the hollywood actors. Because what you see on film is people play acting. Not real life.
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Post by Bob S on Nov 26, 2005 23:57:33 GMT -7
Wow! I have to agree with everyone on this thread and Jim hit the nail on the head or should I say (The Airheads) because this is what Hollywood types and Hollywood movies consist of. It's easier to believe old fables then anything that comes from Hollywood. ;D
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Post by Jaga on Nov 30, 2005 13:17:35 GMT -7
I agree with you guys, this is a hard choice. I also believe that Poles and Americans are similar in some aspects although a life in America is more different that a life in Europe.
So, in some sense we Europeans have a lot in common. The way how we think are conditioned by where we live in many aspects. Poles and Hungarians like each other partly because we do not have common boarders, the same Germany and Russia. Somehow both of these countries (Germany and Russia_) seem to do better with more autocratic governments. Even Norman Davies has a theory about it - somehow dependent on the climate and society structure why Poles, Germans or Russians are the way they are....
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Post by aadam on Nov 30, 2005 13:36:33 GMT -7
I agree with you guys, this is a hard choice. I also believe that Poles and Americans are similar in some aspects although a life in America is more different that a life in Europe. So, in some sense we Europeans have a lot in common. The way how we think are conditioned by where we live in many aspects. Poles and Hungarians like each other partly because we do not have common boarders, the same Germany and Russia. Somehow both of these countries (Germany and Russia_) seem to do better with more autocratic governments. Even Norman Davies has a theory about it - somehow dependent on the climate and society structure why Poles, Germans or Russians are the way they are.... Jaga, I don't want to get into the core of a discussion here, since I'm not that sure if all Poles love America :)Just a marginal remark here: Poland did have a border with Hungary for a larger part of both state's history. Besides France and Germany or Norway and Sweden are very much befriended nowadays, and they do have common border -----> as you see I think that 'the border hypothesis' has some weak points
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Post by Jaga on Nov 30, 2005 15:00:36 GMT -7
Adam,
if we had border with Hungary it was through countries ... we were occupying. Slovakia was usually in the middle.
referring to the France and Germany - you know better than me that they were always enemies in the past. The same is true about France and England. England wanted actually to keep Germany stronger (after WW I) so that France would not become too strong
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Post by Pawian on Dec 2, 2005 15:20:35 GMT -7
Adam, referring to the France and Germany - you know better than me that they were always enemies in the past. The same is true about France and England. Isn`t it so that friendly relations are only on the surface? That a common German despises the French and a common French feels the same about Germans? Or French and English? Superficial friendship again? It is really difficult to overcome some centuries-old stereotypes.
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Post by forza on Dec 2, 2005 15:36:03 GMT -7
Yes Jerzy, Let's speak up this uncomfortable truth in front of our American friends here: Europe is a bunch of narrow minded nationalists. SO true!
But hey! we are less racist then Americans are.
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Post by kaima on Dec 2, 2005 16:21:32 GMT -7
Yes Jerzy, But hey! we are less racist then Americans are. Yea, but we don't talk about it in the US. As long as it stays quiet we can ignore it. Kai
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Post by forza on Dec 2, 2005 16:45:23 GMT -7
Kai, We don't have that much of a pressure to be politically correct in Europe. Over all Germans suffer most in Europe, French being second probably. Of course now Muhammad is the name to have not - another issue. And Le's not forgot about suffering from having bad address (US case) ;D funny anti racism web site here
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Post by rdywenur on Dec 3, 2005 5:54:49 GMT -7
Hollywood is a fantasy.....even for Americans. Do Poles truly love Americans. I always get the feeling that they think we mind everyone's business...which is probably true. Not too long ago I saw an interview with Madelaine Albright and she said the rise of statistics of most countries hating America has risen.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 3, 2005 13:58:26 GMT -7
But hey! we are less racist then Americans are. I wouldn`t be so sure.....
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