Should health service be socialized or privaitized

[Jaga]

Some people in America state that American health care is the best - but it is very expensive and many people do not have any health care. On the other hand in Poland health care is very bad and corrupted.
So - what is better?

Maybe there is a right system in Japan or Germany where the health care is socialized and people live long lives.

[bescheid]

Dear Jaga

I voted for health care coverage as available to ever one. Period, this is my personal feelings. With what ever the name for the coverage, rather it be private/socialized, who actually cares. For why, should common people, those that make their living with their hands, or from the sweat of the brow of others. Health care is an expectation that needs to be required.

Basics: The reason of government. To collect taxes-provide for services-provide a standing army for common protection.

Well, services do fall in that category, and in this instance, it is health care.

Charles

[Jaga]

Charles,

I also believe that the health care should be for everybody. The American system is a bit like from the time of wild tribes - everybody just cares only about himself.

On the other hand - the system which is in Sweden of Germany needs to be changed especially since the median age is getting older!

[george]

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"I also believe that the health care should be for everybody. The American system is a bit like from the time of wild tribes - everybody just cares only about himself"

Oh, i think thats a bit of a overstatement. Although our health care system is not equal by any means, there is a sizable portion of the worlds population that would love to have the lower end of our health care treatment. If one doesn't have health care insurance in this country, hospitals
by law have to treat patients. If the patient does not have money the goverment picks up the bill.

[Bob S]

;D Dum De Dum De! Hmmmm! I had to vote for mixed although I might have voted for other. Jaga you already know one of my reasons but then there are the added ones of: There are people who think Satellite or cable television and cell-phones are more important than health care. And then there is the health care we provide free to illegal aliens (politicaly incorrect). However, poor choices, poor policy and money hungry liability lawyers add to the cost of health care. If you go to one of those countries with socialised medicine, you have a better chance of seeing the Undertaker before you see a Doctor. If you want socialised medicine in this country just make sure your Last Will and Testament is up to date and you have a pre-paid funeral arraignment worked out. I told my wife to just throw me in the nearest trash can when the time comes. ;D

[bescheid]

George

Also I do agree with you with some reservation in as much to the American system of health care. It is actually excellent in resources and availability, if you have insurance. That is what the health care system is geared up to.

If you track the continuity of progressive medical practice of the physicians. You will note a system of referrals, from one physician to the next and to insure a paper trail. The physician will insure they are covered from a possible malpractice suit. they insure this with MRI procedures. This is fine, but at between US $1200 to $1500 per exam. This is all charged against what ever medical coverage the person (patient) may have.

If with out medical insurance, then an exam and x-ray is good.

I will say this with assurance, if there were no medical insurance, medical service would be very much more cheaper.

Depending upon the medical office a person has occasion to visit, yes, there are government programmes to cover the indigent person. But, if the medical facility is a profit pay as you go, then, you will be very assured that legal procedures will follow to those who have not payed their bill.

With the recent federal guide line changes in Bank ruptcy laws, there no longer is a safety net for those people that have had emergency hospital procedures with out proper medical insurance. Even with their Medicare insurance, that will cover only %80. will, unless they are covered with an additional private insurance that will cover the remaining %20, this people are in very real and present danger of a law suit initiated by the health care agency they originally had gone to for help. In some cases, the person (patient) had no choice in the matter in the case they were unconsience to began with as from an accident, or medical emergency.

Now in perhaps, you or others may find fault in my post and information, perhaps very un-American. Well, so may it be. But, how far off am I?

I will still affirm this: Private for profit organizations, can not be trusted with the question of public welfare.

This is the job and responsibility of the Federal government to insure of programmes of health care for all people (American) period. This needs to include the indigent to the extreme wealthy. What ever the name need be placed upon the programme. Every thing needs a name. It matters not on the end, it is the results that speak for self.

As a person, I have lived under a managed care medical programme, the tax payers payed for it. It was %100 percent payed for. This is one of the benefits under civil service, and again, the tax payers payed for it.

There is no actual reason, this same programme is not available for all American people.

The cost is payed for by elimination of give away programmes to useless political foreign programmes.

Or, if not feasible, then do away with income tax deductions and collect taxes.

As another example: This: I will not disclose this sorce of information, take it instead as just conjecture.

your high price of pump gas (petrol, benzine) well, guess what: 09 November 2005, there was a joint hearing of the Senate Energy and commerce committees on the oil industry's huge third-quarter 2005 profits. We are talking about combined profits of US $32 billion in one three-month period.

Now this was in the face of: a US $14.5 billion in tax credits to the combined oil companies. This would be US oil companies.

Now, am I off in my thinking of health care for all Americans? And where the money would come from. It is here, the problem is, the money goes into a different pocket for profits and not for the benefit of the working public.

Charles

[Bob S]

Charles I do not think you are un-American and health care is a very complex matter. One thing to do is get Trial Laweyers out of the picture or greatly reduce their influence. As it stands now, there are people whos see a Doctor or enter a hospital and it is as if they had won the lottery. Do you think it is the Doctor, Hospital or insurance company that foots the payouts of lawsuits? Sorry, that cost is passed on to other users who are left with paying more and more for health care that they need. If hospitals and doctors are getting tax breaks and public incentives for doing their work than the common person is paying a higher price than what is stated on the bill. After watching some programs on TV, a person believes that a miracle will occur in one hour and that is, between commercials. Charles, any start on solving the problem is a good start.

[bescheid]

Bob

Thank you for your understanding of my post. If not, any one had read it, my intention had been to remove if for the reason of being over radical and rambling.

It is just so frustrating to see these abuses to underprivileged people that are slipping under the safety net of public health assistance programmes.

I would only suppose though, the old adage, if a person can afford insurance, they don't need it.

Charles

[Jaga]

george said:

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"I also believe that the health care should be for everybody. The American system is a bit like from the time of wild tribes - everybody just cares only about himself"

Oh, i think thats a bit of a overstatement. Although our health care system is not equal by any means, there is a sizable portion of the worlds population that would love to have the lower end of our health care treatment. If one doesn't have health care insurance in this country, hospitals
by law have to treat patients. If the patient does not have money the goverment picks up the bill.

Do you not need to go through the bankrupcy process before government will pick up your bills?

[Bob S]

admin said:

george said:

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"I also believe that the health care should be for everybody. The American system is a bit like from the time of wild tribes - everybody just cares only about himself"

Oh, i think thats a bit of a overstatement. Although our health care system is not equal by any means, there is a sizable portion of the worlds population that would love to have the lower end of our health care treatment. If one doesn't have health care insurance in this country, hospitals
by law have to treat patients. If the patient does not have money the goverment picks up the bill.

[Do you not need to go through the bankrupcy process before government will pick up your bills?

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No! All you have to be is an illegal alian or drug dealer and then very few questions are asked. ;D

[hollister]

This is probably like throwing a piece of raw meat into a bear cage but .... here goes - My issue with American health care is that the people who do not have to worry about having health care (in this case senators and congressmen) are voting for legislation that increases costs and decreases the acessibility of health care for many Americans. I have to think that if those in government had the same health care coverage as their constituents that Americans would enjoy very different health care coverage.

[jimpres]

That's why I still have to work. Medicare is not that great.

[kaima]

We have two major socialist health care systems up here in Alaska, the one is the Native health care system and the other is the Military health care system. No one argues that they are not necessary, but there are many, many strong feelings that the average US citizen should not be given anything comparable. Of course politicians will always have first crack at claiming health care and generous retirements as well.

I supppose if we got old people to die earlier we would not need to worry as much about Social Security or Medicare costs. Didn't someone in the BUsh administration say as much?

Kai
Hoping to attain Old Geezerhood someday (healthily)!

[jimpres]

I'm an old geezer and am not dying yet.

[Jaga]

Holly, Kai - good points. Jim, I wish you lots of good health.

My husband was in military care since his father was in military - and these military doctors think that the new born baby with high fever - is in no danger.

American health services are not efficient, they are very expensive, insurances are for profit, the cost of care for one person is much higher than in Germany, GB or Japan where people live longer.

I am not impressed.