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Post by jeanne on Oct 29, 2007 3:17:30 GMT -7
Charles, Can I conclude by these comments that you were at one time master of a fishing vessel out of Cuxhaven? If so, did your vessel ever call at Gloucester, Massachusetts? During the 70's I worked at a ship's agency there which serviced many of the big German factory fishing vessels. I wonder if perhaps you were on one of them. Jeanne Yes, that was him and his ship mates!! While anchoring in Gloucester, they went out to paint the town red. The residents barricaded their houses but to no avail. Dutch encouraged German sailors smashed everything on their way. I remember reading about it in a paper in 70s. It was a great scandal then. Where did you hide at the time: in the basement or in the attic? Did Gloucesterians rebuild their ruined city yet? Pawian, Hold on now, don't get carried away until we hear from Charles! Perhaps he is innocent. Actually, German sailors were some of the best behaved in port; I won't say who were the rowdiest in fear of offending some other forum members.
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Post by jeanne on Oct 29, 2007 3:23:14 GMT -7
I remember reading about it in a paper in 70s. It was a great scandal then Besides, Pawian, were you old enough to read in the 70's?
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Post by scatts on Oct 29, 2007 11:56:22 GMT -7
That smells like drunken Englishmen to me!
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Post by bescheid on Oct 29, 2007 12:45:06 GMT -7
Your associate is very correct. For my language was very typical North German sailer ship master gutter speak. OK, you have asked of my self, and I am an honest Ex-Cuxhaven {Fisch Kopf}-fish head-. Charles, Can I conclude by these comments that you were at one time master of a fishing vessel out of Cuxhaven? If so, did your vessel ever call at Gloucester, Massachusetts? During the 70's I worked at a ship's agency there which serviced many of the big German factory fishing vessels. I wonder if perhaps you were on one of them. Jeanne Jeanne Now is that just some thing!!! I was close, but not actually in Gloucester, sorry.... Yes, our factory fishing ships were there. This was in 1971-1973, at this time I had my 2nd officer license from the marine Academe in Hamburg. Depending upon the season, we were in the North waters of Baffin Bay{Greenland} through the strait to Labrador Sea off Newfoundland. The large factory fishing ships you serviced, were our mother hens. The vessels we used were long range trawlers. Our trawlers were identified at range, but the knife sharp bow with the long horizontal 3 lines radiating from a banner with ship number. In contrast to those I think were your Gloucester fishing vessels, ours were raked forward in the superstructure design. The vessel I was on {Alantisch} was converted from a beam trawler for the North Sea. It was a long-range trawler steel hull of over 500 gross tonnage of over 43 meter length. It was single powered by 8 cylinder Stork of 3.160 hp. Even with 160 ton fuel tanken, the range was that to require fuel service from any of the accompanying factory ships, and at similar, for transfer of catch out of the holds. The factory ships are the processing and service vessels fairly much as being the Hen, with her many chicks {us}. Our vessels were designed for heavy water and the cold. With the sharp bow, in heavy waters, the vessel will knife through very large swells with stability maintained by the covered exterior of superstructure extending over to upper hull edge. In this manner heavy seas wash, was drained off the open deck leaving a protected over hang for crew access safety. There is always the inherent danger in this life. We never lost a crew member, but were some close call of over board wash overs. I am happy non of our people were a cause of concern whilst in port. The crew people live their work life away from home for some months at sea and the always lurk of disaster. For these vessels are very automated with hydraulics and power operated winches. Concentration with safety is a requirement, for I had then as now, absolutely no intention of meeting with a grieving widow with the report and description of how her husband died on my watch. It takes two crew members always at all times to operate the pilot house. In the absence of the Captain, I was required to be in attendance with one crew member as assigned. There are what you expect in any modern large vessel of communications/navigational electronics/power systems/power controls and so on. The absolute of this responsibility is, you do not take chances or un-necessary risk to the vessel and crew, for each is your personal and professional responsibility,and as such, will be held accountable for accident or loss. I realize this is a rather long answer to your post, sorry.... Charles
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Post by bescheid on Oct 29, 2007 12:55:31 GMT -7
That smells like drunken Englishmen to me! Haa, Ian You guys know how to celebrate!! But, seriously, meet up with some Russian sailers if you wish to meet the worse. They are just as crazy on land as they are at sea.... Charles
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Post by Pawian on Oct 29, 2007 12:58:33 GMT -7
Pawian, Hold on now, don't get carried away until we hear from Charles! Perhaps he is innocent. Charles innocent? That`s impossible! hahahahaha Yes, they were very well behaved! Before they burnt the stables, they had allowed the residents to take horses and cows with them!: This is Charles in Gloucester. Do you still think he is innocent? Gloucesterians protest
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Post by bescheid on Oct 29, 2007 13:08:19 GMT -7
Charles, Can I conclude by these comments that you were at one time master of a fishing vessel out of Cuxhaven? If so, did your vessel ever call at Gloucester, Massachusetts? During the 70's I worked at a ship's agency there which serviced many of the big German factory fishing vessels. I wonder if perhaps you were on one of them. Jeanne Yes, that was him and his ship mates!! While anchoring in Gloucester, they went out to paint the town red. The residents barricaded their houses but to no avail. Dutch encouraged German sailors smashed everything on their way. I remember reading about it in a paper in 70s. It was a great scandal then. Where did you hide at the time: in the basement or in the attic? Did Gloucesterians rebuild their ruined city yet? Pawian Well sorry to disappoint you with that...it was some of our large factory vessels that ported in Gloucester in our operations in that area. To keep the fleet in income, our {My} trawlers were kept working inbetween cargo catch transfers to the mother ships. Must have been some of the Russisch people. They were notorious for bow cutting at sea {turning into the oncoming bow of an approaching ship} as they were careless on land. In contrast, all men/people of the sea, are brothers at the mercy of the sea. For the sea is unforgiving to the careless. If a ship is in trouble, it matters not who her home port is, all priority is placed into assistance. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Oct 29, 2007 14:15:45 GMT -7
Must have been some of the Russisch people. They were notorious for bow cutting at sea {turning into the oncoming bow of an approaching ship} as they were careless on land. Russians are romantically crazy and unpredictable. Even more than Poles. Slavic roots cause this. Yes, I remember how positively strengthened I was during the cold war hearing about sea catastrophies during which sailors from enemy pacts/blocks rescued one another. Americans rescued Russians, Poles rescued Germans etc etc. Yes, the sea did put aside all silly political animosities....
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Post by Pawian on Oct 29, 2007 14:18:10 GMT -7
I remember reading about it in a paper in 70s. It was a great scandal then Besides, Pawian, were you old enough to read in the 70's? I was a genius kid. I could read in 1975.
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Post by jeanne on Oct 29, 2007 15:01:49 GMT -7
That smells like drunken Englishmen to me! Sorry Scatts, we didn't deal with any English sailors. My lips are sealed as to which sailors I was referring to, as of course it would only be a generalization if I spoke negatively about any particular nationality of sailor.
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Post by Pawian on Oct 29, 2007 15:22:52 GMT -7
That smells like drunken Englishmen to me! Sorry Scatts, we didn't deal with any English sailors. My lips are sealed as to which sailors I was referring to, as of course it would only be a generalization if I spoke negatively about any particular nationality of sailor. Oh, come on! Give up that political correctness of yours! Don`t you want to feel free for a while and speak your mind? Pour out your heart at last!
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Post by jeanne on Oct 29, 2007 15:29:07 GMT -7
Charles, Can I conclude by these comments that you were at one time master of a fishing vessel out of Cuxhaven? If so, did your vessel ever call at Gloucester, Massachusetts? During the 70's I worked at a ship's agency there which serviced many of the big German factory fishing vessels. I wonder if perhaps you were on one of them. Jeanne Jeanne Now is that just some thing!!! I was close, but not actually in Gloucester, sorry.... Yes, our factory fishing ships were there. This was in 1971-1973, at this time I had my 2nd officer license from the marine Academe in Hamburg. Depending upon the season, we were in the North waters of Baffin Bay{Greenland} through the strait to Labrador Sea off Newfoundland. The large factory fishing ships you serviced, were our mother hens. The vessels we used were long range trawlers. Our trawlers were identified at range, but the knife sharp bow with the long horizontal 3 lines radiating from a banner with ship number. In contrast to those I think were your Gloucester fishing vessels, ours were raked forward in the superstructure design. The vessel I was on {Alantisch} was converted from a beam trawler for the North Sea. It was a long-range trawler steel hull of over 500 gross tonnage of over 43 meter length. It was single powered by 8 cylinder Stork of 3.160 hp. Even with 160 ton fuel tanken, the range was that to require fuel service from any of the accompanying factory ships, and at similar, for transfer of catch out of the holds. The factory ships are the processing and service vessels fairly much as being the Hen, with her many chicks {us}. Our vessels were designed for heavy water and the cold. With the sharp bow, in heavy waters, the vessel will knife through very large swells with stability maintained by the covered exterior of superstructure extending over to upper hull edge. In this manner heavy seas wash, was drained off the open deck leaving a protected over hang for crew access safety. There is always the inherent danger in this life. We never lost a crew member, but were some close call of over board wash overs. I am happy non of our people were a cause of concern whilst in port. The crew people live their work life away from home for some months at sea and the always lurk of disaster. For these vessels are very automated with hydraulics and power operated winches. Concentration with safety is a requirement, for I had then as now, absolutely no intention of meeting with a grieving widow with the report and description of how her husband died on my watch. It takes two crew members always at all times to operate the pilot house. In the absence of the Captain, I was required to be in attendance with one crew member as assigned. There are what you expect in any modern large vessel of communications/navigational electronics/power systems/power controls and so on. The absolute of this responsibility is, you do not take chances or un-necessary risk to the vessel and crew, for each is your personal and professional responsibility,and as such, will be held accountable for accident or loss. I realize this is a rather long answer to your post, sorry.... Charles Charles, Thank you so much for your detailed response! It's so nice to hear from someone familiar with the commerce I was involved in back then. I worked in Gloucester from 1972-1979. Your response also helps explain some of your "mysterious" past. I wondered where you picked up the type of knowledge you often display on this forum. I know well of the dangerous conditions sailors continually lived under, not to mention the hardships of being away from family. Unfortunately my company did occasionally have to be the bearer of bad news to families back home when a mishap did occur. And I remember well the comradeship existing between the ships of different nationalities on the high sea. I also remember hearing of cargo ships in the winter becoming "iced-up" and the crew having to go above board with hatchets to hack at the ice so the ship would not become top heavy and topple over. Scary stuff. I remember the name of one vessel which you may have been familiar with. This was referred to as a "hospital" ship which did much more than just act as a hospital, rather taking care of many needs of the German fishing fleet. I believe the vessel was the Frithjof (if my memory serves me well). The rest of the vessel names I can't quite remember, but the Frithjof was the one which called at port most ofter. The owner of most of the vessels was Nordsee Hochseefischerei (forgive my spelling if incorrect). Any connections here? There was another company whose name escapes me now, but I would remember if I heard it. Jeanne
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Post by jeanne on Oct 29, 2007 15:32:24 GMT -7
Sorry Scatts, we didn't deal with any English sailors. My lips are sealed as to which sailors I was referring to, as of course it would only be a generalization if I spoke negatively about any particular nationality of sailor. Oh, come on! Give up that political correctness of yours! Don`t you want to feel free for a while and speak your mind? Pour out your heart at last! I'm not being politically correct, I'm being kind! As you would say, hahahahahaha!
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Post by jeanne on Oct 29, 2007 15:35:05 GMT -7
I was a genius kid. I could read in 1975. Of course! genius kid then, genius teacher now!
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Post by bescheid on Oct 29, 2007 20:10:37 GMT -7
This is Charles in Gloucester. Do you still think he is innocent? Pawian you are so very kind. I would be deceptive to accept this to be my image. For the good fellow is rather handsome, do you not think so? And very intelligent by the lift of his brow. No, I am sorry, I could not be this man for his is the mark of Royalty and I am much too common. I do appreciate your kindness for bringing to forth this image I would much enjoy to be that of my own. So sad, so sad for we are to our selves, doomed as simple mortal beings of our own making. To drift from sun rise-to sun set with the sea of life at our backs, with the horizon of our hopes and dreams just beyond our reach--for only to have the wings of an angel, the swiftness of the falcon and then the sweetness of life, would be ours. Charles
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