Mass media lies

[Jaga]

Guys,

you can post here info from left and right if you think mass media cheat us with information.

I found this clip from FoxNews outrageous.
They played the old clip from Biden... as like he said it during the last week. Besides, he did not believed it, he was repeating what opposition said to state that what they said was wrong!

It is outrageous that they put this clip and played as like he said it and believed in it now:

thinkprogress.org/2009/03/16/fox-news-fundamentals/

This afternoon, Fox News’s Martha MacCallum introduced a segment highlighting Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Christina Romer’s claim yesterday that the “fundamentals of the economy are sound.” “After weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune,” MacCallum said.

She then played clips of Romer and other administration officials making seemingly positive comments about the current state of the economy. One of the clips was of Vice President Biden saying, “The fundamentals of the economy are strong!” After the segment, MacCallum said, “All right, well the mantra for the weekend is clear, looking at what was said over the course of the shows on Sunday.” Watch in the segment...

But the clip of Biden seemingly making a recent remark about the strength of the economy is grossly inaccurate. The Biden statement was actually from last September — during the presidential campaign — when he was quoting Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). Here’s what Biden really said....

thinkprogress.org/2009/03/16/fox-news-fundamentals/

[Jaga]

At least Fox apologized for the mistake since it was caught so blantly.

crooksandliars.com/john-amato/fox-news-apologises-dishonest-splicing-

MacCALLUM: Yesterday during a segment on the recent change in tone from President Obama’s economic team, we inadvertently used a piece of video of Vice President Biden saying “the fundamentals of the economy are strong.” This video was from the campaign trail when the vice president was a candidate and was actually quoting Sen. John McCain. When we get something wrong we admit it. We did so yesterday, and for that we apologize.

Nope, when you get busted lying you recognize it. But that's what we expect from the Roger Ailes run operation. They are on a mission to destroy President Obama. Just try to watch one full day of their coverage. I dare you.

Dave N: I dunno about this, John. As the guy assigned to cover Fox for our readers, I can testify that watching Fox causes brain damage. I've lost 4 IQ points just since January! Not to mention the creeping paranoia. Daring anyone to watch them for a full day is like triple-dog-daring Flick to stick his tongue on that frozen flagpole -- you know it's not going to turn out well.

[Bob S]

;D ;D I could say the same thing about the alphabit networks. They failed to mention that Chris Dodd and Barney Frank wrote in the AIG "grandfather clause" for the AIG executives. They also failed to mention that Obama received campaign donations from AIG. They also failed to mention that Maxine Waters had a financial interest in AIG. They also failed to mention that Geitner knew all about AIG a long time ago. These are the same people who want to control your health care? Geitner himself is unable to understand TurboTax and was made head of the IRS ;D ;D
Where is Bernie Madoff? I think he would make a great addition to the administration. If he fooled all those "supposed smart" people jut imagine what he could do to all of America. ;D

[kaima]

Bob, I must have missed the Fox broadcast when they blamed Barney Franks. All they announced when I saw it this afternoon is that the insertion took place after the original was drafted and sent to committee.

I don't think I will lose sleep over it. If we don't execute people for betraying CIA spies then we should not execute greedy executives.

Kai

[jimpres]

It's not about executions. They should be fired if guilty. Any corporation would do just that.
Dood, well it is his bill that allowed the bonus money to AIG. Dodd was first to get money from AIG Obama second. and so on.
Bob S wrote to this and he is correct that is what happened.
Madoff donated $100K to the DNC and it was never returned like the money was to individual legislators.
Oh if you own a gun that shoots .223 ammo better get it soon. The gov. is stopping the supply to the largest maker of that ammo.
We will have the 2nd amendment and our guns just no ammo to use in them.

jim

[kaima]

Aww Jim,

Just think of the fun of having a few - or many - public executions! Well, getting serious, I think that everyone involved in betraying the CIA agent a few years back should be executed for high treason. Journalist, politicians, all of them. Ok, let the money scum bags today go for some prison time and losing the family fortune, not just their private fortune. Surely Frau Madhoff has many, many more millions today than she had 6 months ago!

his donations to the DNC show the politics of money. Keep on the good side. He made his fortune under the last few administrations, presumably Clinton and Bush, and saw that he should cosy up to the DNC. Good politics, but it looks like it will not keep him out of prison.

The 223 is news, but not surprising. It is the military round and has been in short supply for years, manufacturers can't keep up. So sacrificing a few years civilian supply for our soldiers in the field seems reasonable. That way they can shoot more talibangelist extremists.

[karl]

Mar 19, 2009 15:57:59 GMT -7 jimpres said:

It's not about executions. They should be fired if guilty. Any corporation would do just that.
Dood, well it is his bill that allowed the bonus money to AIG. Dodd was first to get money from AIG Obama second. and so on.
Bob S wrote to this and he is correct that is what happened.
Madoff donated $100K to the DNC and it was never returned like the money was to individual legislators.
Oh if you own a gun that shoots .223 ammo better get it soon. The gov. is stopping the supply to the largest maker of that ammo.
We will have the 2nd amendment and our guns just no ammo to use in them.

jim

Interesting Jim!

I am some what of surprised of any shortage of 223 ammunition. If the American suppliers are short, there should be an ample supple of Russian manufacture of 223 cal. Ammunition from the the Tula Cartridge works as provided by the following distributor:

www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=DZ22355

For as once monthly, I must qualify on the firing range with pistol. Take my best hit target {3} and ship them back by UPS for my file. I use Sellier and Bellot 9mm for the Heckler and Koch USP. It works fine, or use of American Winchester 9MM. I notice no difference.

I am also of surprise if the American logistics in ammunition is becoming in short. For The American Government for some years, has been an excellent arms and ammunition customer of Russian suppliers. {American distribution of Russian manufacture Kalashnikov automatic rifles and ammunition to the police forces in Iraq.

The open market on raw materials for manfacture of ammunication has been some what in short supply of late. In as much as of copper/primers and component for manufacture of propellent used.

All shortages create an opportunity, but, unfortunantly, I am over honest.

Karl

[jimpres]

Kai,

Hard to believe but Madoff did it under the noses of two administrations. Now he has a nice 10X10 room to live in. does not help the ones who lost it all.

Karl,

True you can get Russian ammo, and it is cheaper if you buy lots of rounds. Just strange to see the brass disapearing from the ammo dealers. I have a H&K 45 and it is a great weapon.
The brass could be a blip on the screen or like Kai said being shipped to fight the troubled freedom fighters (terroists is not longer a word to be used to describe them)

Jim

[Jaga]

Mar 19, 2009 15:57:59 GMT -7 jimpres said:

It's not about executions. They should be fired if guilty. Any corporation would do just that.
Dood, well it is his bill that allowed the bonus money to AIG. Dodd was first to get money from AIG Obama second. and so on.
Bob S wrote to this and he is correct that is what happened.
Madoff donated $100K to the DNC and it was never returned like the money was to individual legislators.
Oh if you own a gun that shoots .223 ammo better get it soon. The gov. is stopping the supply to the largest maker of that ammo.
We will have the 2nd amendment and our guns just no ammo to use in them.

jim

Jim,
all politicians are getting money from corporations, not only Democrats. You know better than that!
Referring to guns, do you listen to the loony talk by Glen Beck?

Why do you make it a partizan issue only just like FoxNews?

Please, watch other news, not only FoxNews. There is no other that biased mass media organization like FoxNews. Did you ever heard FoxNews go after Bush or Cheney or GOP? No, they will defend them and try to destroy democrats just because they are democrats.

Can we stop trying to find guilty just because they are one party, not the other?

[Mary]

Mar 20, 2009 9:00:37 GMT -7 Jaga said:

Why do you make it a partizan issue only just like FoxNews?

Please, watch other news, not only FoxNews. There is no other that biased mass media organization like FoxNews. Did you ever heard FoxNews go after Bush or Cheney or GOP? No, they will defend them and try to destroy democrats just because they are democrats.

Can we stop trying to find guilty just because they are one party, not the other?

Jaga,
I am not trying to pick a fight, nor do I want to hurt your feelings or any others. BUT, Now you are getting even more confusing.
When you started this thread you said it was to post views from the LEFT as well as the RIGHT. Did you really mean this? I am not seeing that flexability in your comments to Jim.

It is looking like you have now lost Jim, a very nice man and good contributor to this forum.

People get tired of being told what to watch or not and what to say or think. This seems to be an old problem that keeps rearing it's ugly head.

Just a comment from me to you. No need to reply. I don't want to make this a huge controversy between the two of us.

[Jaga]

Mary, maybe you are right. The problem is that there is not one party involved in the scandal with money.
If you see that the news station just selectively choses members of one party, not the other let me know.

It is a pity we lost Jim. This is my fault. Jim was always very responsible person.

Probably this long winter got to me

[Mary]

A little bit about this subject of proposed legislation on ammunition:
Check out the links within the articles to get all sides of the controversy.

righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/01/ammunition-accountability-act.html
January 27, 2009
Ammunition Accountability Act
In short, the Ammunition Accountability Act would require the manufacturer to code all ammunition in a database on every ammunition sale. Doing so would track how much ammunition was purchased, by whom and what calibers. All ammunition that is not coded must be destroyed. The provisions of this bill would also charge gun owners an additional 5-cent tax on every round. This has been tried in the past, but with Democrats in the majority it may have a chance this time.



While a federal law is being considered by proponents of such laws, gun owners in individual states are witnessing what's referred to as Ammunition Accountability Acts being pushed through they're state legislatures by impatient lawmakers.

Ammunition Accountability, a liberal gun control organization, has developed sample legislation to achieve its purposes and reports that versions of it have been introduced in the legislatures of Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington, according to John Snyder. [snip]

... another attempt to chip away at the 2nd Amendment, it is just plain wrong. Since the 2nd Amendment defines a citizens "right" to defend themselves, with a gun, it clearly does not address ammunition. [snip]


"[Lawmakers] should ignore the media hype on the firearms issue and pay attention to what the public – their constituents – are saying on the matter,” gun rights expert John M. Snyder stated.


“According to an August poll conducted by Zogby International for Associated Television News, the American public rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed by a two-to-one margin,” Snyder continued.

“Maybe the House of Representatives should have taken a reading of public opinion on this issue before rushing headlong without a roll call vote to pass a bill before the recess,” said Snyder, who is a firearms advisor for the National Association of Chiefs of Police. (News With Views)





"No later than January 1, 2011, all non­coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this act, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, shall be disposed." (USAvsUS.info)



Ithica Journal states "a national crusade known as the Ammunition Accountability Act is suddenly a legitimate threat.":



... mandate the engraving of a unique serial number on the base of each handgun and “assault weapon” bullet, and an identical number on the cartridge's case. The act calls for dealers of this “encoded ammunition” to record the purchaser's name, birthdate, drivers license number, etc.
All non-encoded ammunition must be disposed of prior to Jan. 1, 2011. The database and other expenses involved would be paid for by a special tax of a half-cent per round of ammunition sold.



The Ammunition Accountability site, which is pushing for this legislation, is here. They provide reasons why they believe this act should become law:



About Us

Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more. We are working together to pass legislation to make ammunition coding technology a reality.
Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database. When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead.



www.nationalgunrights.org/ammoaccountability.shtml

The Ammunition Accountability Act's real story
Group tries to profit off gun control legislation
Ammo Accountability group has patents on technology used to enforce legislation they sponsor
A visit to the website Ammunition Accountability.Org -- they also run a mirror .com site -- would lead you to believe that they were a grassroots conglomeration of concerned citizens and civic leaders with an unimpressive, low-tech website.

That couldn’t be further from the truth.

The Ammunition Accountability Act and corresponding website are run by a company that developed the technology necessary to enforce the same legislation they lobby for. In other words, the founders of the Ammunition Accountability Act are pushing legislation which will have a direct and substantial financial benefit to them.

The legislation calls for each individual piece of ammunition produced to be etched or stamped with a unique serial number. This patented technology was developed by Russ Ford and his business partners Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker of Seattle, Washington.

Ford and his associates were unable to convince any ammunition manufacturers to use their technology, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state-level ammo tagging legislation.

Ostensibly Ford and company are billing this legislation as a way to stop violent crime by tracking handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition.

However, the sample text of their legislation -- provided on their website -- would outlaw the ownership of all non-tagged ammo of any caliber. Additionally, the legislation would require a state-run database to track each ammunition serial number and information on who purchased each round of ammo.

Not only does the legislation directly aim to financial benefit Ford and his business partners, but it will push most ammunition manufactures out of business, and make home reloading ammunition illegal.

Their legislation has been introduced in 18 states, however none of introduced pieces of legislation have gotten beyond committee hearings in any state. All the introduced bills died on their respective calendars when each state legislative session adjourned sine die.

Ammunition Accountability is little more than a couple of anti-gunners trying to cash in on hoplophobia.

[Mary]

Mar 20, 2009 7:38:50 GMT -7 karl said:

Mar 19, 2009 15:57:59 GMT -7 jimpres said:

It's not about executions. They should be fired if guilty. Any corporation would do just that.
Dood, well it is his bill that allowed the bonus money to AIG. Dodd was first to get money from AIG Obama second. and so on.
Bob S wrote to this and he is correct that is what happened.
Madoff donated $100K to the DNC and it was never returned like the money was to individual legislators.
Oh if you own a gun that shoots .223 ammo better get it soon. The gov. is stopping the supply to the largest maker of that ammo.
We will have the 2nd amendment and our guns just no ammo to use in them.

jim

Interesting Jim!

I am some what of surprised of any shortage of 223 ammunition. If the American suppliers are short, there should be an ample supple of Russian manufacture of 223 cal. Ammunition from the the Tula Cartridge works as provided by the following distributor:

www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=DZ22355

For as once monthly, I must qualify on the firing range with pistol. Take my best hit target {3} and ship them back by UPS for my file. I use Sellier and Bellot 9mm for the Heckler and Koch USP. It works fine, or use of American Winchester 9MM. I notice no difference.

I am also of surprise if the American logistics in ammunition is becoming in short. For The American Government for some years, has been an excellent arms and ammunition customer of Russian suppliers. {American distribution of Russian manufacture Kalashnikov automatic rifles and ammunition to the police forces in Iraq.

The open market on raw materials for manfacture of ammunication has been some what in short supply of late. In as much as of copper/primers and component for manufacture of propellent used.

All shortages create an opportunity, but, unfortunantly, I am over honest.

Karl

Karl, Jim, Kai,

Update on the issue of brass cartridges:

STATEMENT FROM NRA CHIEF LOBBYIST CHRIS W. COX
Military Surplus Cartridge Case Issue Resolved


Wednesday, March 18, 2009


Yesterday morning, the Department of Defense informed NRA-ILA that fired military small arms cartridge cases are once again eligible for sale, following a temporary suspension in such sales instituted last week. NRA-ILA began discussions with DoD shortly after the suspension took effect, and we were assured from the beginning that efforts were underway to resolve the issue favorably.

Yesterday afternoon, DoD additionally confirmed the lifting of the suspension to pro-Second Amendment United States Senators Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.), who sent the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) a joint letter vigorously opposing the suspension, on the grounds that it had "an impact on small businesses who sell reloaded ammunition utilizing these fired casings, and upon individual gun owners who purchase spent military brass at considerable cost savings for their personal use."

Everyone who would have been impacted by the suspension, had it become permanent, owes thanks to Senator Baucus for his leadership on this issue, as well as to Sen. Tester and U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), who also weighed in strongly on behalf of gun owners and the suppliers from whom they obtain ammunition reloaded with surplus military brass.

In announcing that the suspension has been lifted, DoD also made clear that no cartridge cases that, in the absence of the suspension, would have been sold for reloading purposes were destroyed while the suspension was in effect. Such cases were instead protected by DoD during the suspension, and are again eligible for sale. With ammunition currently in short supply, that was welcome news, to be sure.

DLA also put to rest various theories and rumors that were circulated on the internet, concerning the reason for the suspension. As DLA explained to Senators Baucus and Tester, and to NRA-ILA, DoD officials responsible for the demilitarization of military property temporarily halted the release of the cartridge cases last week, pending review of a policy change issued last year by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, which, in the interest of national security, halted the sale of items within a broad category of government property including, but not limited to, surplus small arms cartridge cases.

To make cartridge cases eligible for sale once again, DoD demilitarization officials verified that the cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for use within the United States, and then executed the recategorization. Whereas during the brief suspension, fired cartridge cases would have been releaseable only if the purchaser crushed or smelted them, now the cases may be sold as before, intact and reloadable.

DoD also assured NRA-ILA that companies previously authorized to purchase cartridge cases under Trade Security Controls need no further vetting at this time, and are eligible to resume purchasing cases under the policy adopted yesterday.

In sum, a problem that could have had serious repercussions for the remanufactured ammunition industry and the countless gun owners who support it, appears to have been resolved quickly.

For more information:

www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/DLA.MilitaryBrass.pdf

www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/Baucus_shellcasingsresponse.pdf

www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/Testershellcasingsres.pdf

[kaima]

Thanks for posting Mary. I originally thought Jim was referring to an overall shortage of 223. I was not aware of the temporary ban on surplus military brass. It seems the gumm'nt would be cheating itself out of a high-value resale item. I wonder why they considered it. I am happy it happened under Bush, that way it is not taken as the first step of an Obama confiscation scheme. Yes, I have my own selection of firearms, but none of them 223. I served about the same time Forest Gump served (though he is fictional), right when the army was transitioning from the M-14 to the Matty Matel M-16. (Matel being the toy maker at the time; the name reflecting the futuristic look and vastly reduced fire power). Reading accounts of the 9mm popping ineffective holes in enemy soldiers, I wonder if the 45 will make a comeback someday. It was just those circumstances (ineffective holes in enemy rebels) that led to adaptation of the 45 in the first place over 100 years ago!

Dead eye Kai

[Mary]

Dead Eye Kai,

Yes, there are two separate issues here and it gets confusing. I'm glad it helped.

It looks like we may be about the same age. I only hope you don't feel as old as I do lately. LOL!

I know this is controversial but, I believe in the second amendment. Since you own firearms too I assume you are a second amendment supporter.

I seriously doubt that hard core criminals will ever be stopped from acquiring guns or ammo. Only we law abiding citizens will be disarmed. This has been going on for a long time, even I can't say Obama is solely going after gun ownership.

I don't carry any more, although I have a permit to do so. I enjoy target practice and have a brother who does competitive shooting and teaches firearm safety. I also do not hunt but have many family members who do. In PA (at least NW PA) the schools close for the first day of "Buck" season. That is how big the heritage of deer hunting is here. Some people think if you own a gun you have to be a nut. It is part of our history and this country was founded on the second amendment. It will be a sad and frightening day when ( or if ) ownership by law abiding citizens are stripped of that right.