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Post by scatts on Dec 30, 2006 0:33:33 GMT -7
Executed (hung) at dawn this morning. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6218485.stmWhat are your feelings about this? Should we expect a backlash or does nobody care any more? Will the Bush family's New Year celebrations be a little more joyous than usual or am I the only one feeling there was a father to son mission to kill Saddam? The whole thing's a darn mess. |
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Post by leslie on Dec 30, 2006 3:03:47 GMT -7
Everything is relative. I tend to be sorry for Saddam's execution and even his trial - I'm not sure of numbers but I seem to have read that more Iraqis have died since Saddam was deposed than in the years he was in power. I know he went in for mass murder, but the majority of Iraqis could go about their daily businesses without the fear always of being blown up. I was always told that it is better to know whom your enemy is - if necessary then you can try avoidance action.
Leslie
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Post by pieter on Dec 30, 2006 6:35:34 GMT -7
Scatts/Leslie,
I saw it on the Dutch morning news on the tele, and on BBC and CNN afterwards.
I have mixed emotions, because I am against the Death penalty in general.
The only possitive outcome of this from a Middle-eastern point of view would be
that the symbolic figure of the "anciene regime" is finaly removed for ever.
I don't know how the Sunni minority, the powerful Baath party underground
and Iraqi Nationalist insergents will react to his hanging?
Pieter
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Post by suzanne on Dec 30, 2006 7:31:40 GMT -7
Like Pieter, I have mixed feelings about all of this too. Ultimately, I don't think it's going to make a difference anywhere. There is so much rooted insurgent violence that this all appears to be just a "blip on the screen."
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Post by pieter on Dec 30, 2006 7:40:05 GMT -7
Right you are Suzanne! But I hope that the influence of Baath will be reduced now!
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Post by bescheid on Dec 30, 2006 8:20:48 GMT -7
scatts
You have asked of how we/I feel of the execution of Saddam. How should I answer, what should I say? How I feel is intrinsic, what I think is based upon my intrinsic feelings and of my intellect, learnt information with experience.
Not meaning to be trite,,,just searching for a manner of expression in concerns of feelings of others.
I feel the trial was a set up, contrived to relieve any guilt of those responsible for the trial and of those actually active in the killing of this man.
The moment the man was caught {Saddam} he was destined to be killed by the victors. If he was to die, then he should have been shot at that moment and have it done with. Rather then be agonized by a fake trial and time to think.
I do not believe in the death penalty even though this man deserved the maximum of penalty. Other then reasons of self protection, combat in the military, I think it is wrong to take a life that was not ours to give.
Execution is only a word, it is a manner of a suitable word to remove guilt with a substitute of reality, that is killing some one.
Charles
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Post by Bob S on Dec 30, 2006 10:00:11 GMT -7
 No comment. Just call it a Post-Birth Abortion of Saddam.
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Post by george on Dec 30, 2006 13:39:07 GMT -7
Although i am not a Bush or Iraq supporter, i doubt if George Bush got a chubby or this execution over Saddam. Is the whole thing a mess? You bet. However, i would never think that Bush took any pleasure over this execution. Although i'm not pro death penalty, i do beleive if anybody deserved to be hanged, it was Saddam. May God not rest his soul!
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Post by scatts on Dec 30, 2006 14:01:36 GMT -7
Fair enough! I do believe the bad karma between the Bush family and Saddam are at the root of everything that has happened, but that's just me. And possibly this guy also. Irrespective of my opinion, I think this is a good article. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6219767.stm |
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Post by Jaga on Dec 30, 2006 20:53:15 GMT -7
I have mixed feelings like the rest of you guys. Saddam was a criminal, but was he worth so many deaths in the war? 3 thousands Am. soldiers and several hundred thousands of Iraqis.
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Post by suzanne on Jan 2, 2007 9:08:30 GMT -7
Right you are Suzanne! But I hope that the influence of Baath will be reduced now! Yes, I hope so too, but this "power vacuum" and its related struggle is frightening and who knows how it will end.... |
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Post by piwo on Jan 2, 2007 13:11:53 GMT -7
scatts . The moment the man was caught {Saddam} he was destined to be killed by the victors. If he was to die, then he should have been shot at that moment and have it done with. Rather then be agonized by a fake trial and time to think..... Execution is only a word, it is a manner of a suitable word to remove guilt with a substitute of reality, that is killing some one. Charles Forgive me Charles, I normally eschew such conversations for their tendency to be parochial to " political party" of the writer, but there is a contradiction here that I can't reconcile. The first persons into sadam's rat hole did not kill him because he didn't offer up the resistance that would have warranted his death. You speak out against execution, yet your first sentence professes that his captors, upon his discovery, should have executed him on the spot. While the world choses to believe otherwise for their own self interest and gratification, the average American soldier is not cold blooded murderer. I'm sure more then one of his captors that day would have wished for the excuse to dispose of this garbage, but none chose murder (even the Iraqi national who was in the hole and recognized him for who he was). Sadam had the opportunity to go out in the blaze of glory he ordered all his people to take, and though armed with a firearm and a grenade, chose not to. I disagree most you. How many Iraqi's died bringing this mans trial to conclusion. Many lawyers, jurors, judges.... They believed in the process of law, with their life. Why must "everything be staged": the 72% of registered Iraqi voters who put every so called "democracy" to shame by showing up to vote with the threat, and very real possibility of death for doing so? All staged? Sadam's trial, all staged? The evil Busch clan spends billions of dollars and thousands of US citizens lives, to live their fantasy of seeing sadam dead.  Yep, that's the ticket! A very stale and predictable story line........ |
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Post by jimpres on Jan 2, 2007 14:02:54 GMT -7
Piwo,
i am of the same opinion as you. Sadam had or had commited many otracities during his reign.
And most Iraqis lived in fear of there lives.
To have left him in power to continue to kill and degrad the people would have been a mistake.
Jim
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Post by scatts on Jan 3, 2007 1:16:22 GMT -7
We have another predictable story now with video of his execution going all around the world and available on YouTube. I agree he should have been removed but the way this is being handled is really very very poor and I don't like the way Bush/Blair just sit back and make out like it's nothing to do with them. They started this thing and they should bloody well finish it properly.
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Post by bescheid on Jan 3, 2007 12:01:20 GMT -7
scatts . The moment the man was caught {Saddam} he was destined to be killed by the victors. If he was to die, then he should have been shot at that moment and have it done with. Rather then be agonized by a fake trial and time to think..... Execution is only a word, it is a manner of a suitable word to remove guilt with a substitute of reality, that is killing some one. Charles [[[Forgive me Charles, I normally eschew such conversations for their tendency to be parochial to " political party" of the writer, but there is a contradiction here that I can't reconcile. The first persons into sadam's rat hole did not kill him because he didn't offer up the resistance that would have warranted his death. You speak out against execution, yet your first sentence professes that his captors, upon his discovery, should have executed him on the spot. While the world choses to believe otherwise for their own self interest and gratification, the average American soldier is not cold blooded murderer. I'm sure more then one of his captors that day would have wished for the excuse to dispose of this garbage, but none chose murder (even the Iraqi national who was in the hole and recognized him for who he was). Sadam had the opportunity to go out in the blaze of glory he ordered all his people to take, and though armed with a firearm and a grenade, chose not to. I disagree most you. How many Iraqi's died bringing this mans trial to conclusion. Many lawyers, jurors, judges.... They believed in the process of law, with their life. Why must "everything be staged": the 72% of registered Iraqi voters who put every so called "democracy" to shame by showing up to vote with the threat, and very real possibility of death for doing so? All staged? Sadam's trial, all staged? The evil Busch clan spends billions of dollars and thousands of US citizens lives, to live their fantasy of seeing sadam dead. Yep, that's the ticket! A very stale and predictable story line........]]] Piwo You have nothing to forgive, for you spoke your feelings and that is as it should be. I have spoke was on my mind and that is as it should be. For you are of a different camp, and I am of a different camp, unfortunately, my camp is different. The portion of my post was taken out of context, and given as an opinion of your own. I may not be responsible for your failure to accurately comprehend my meaning with my words. I do not carry the same American logic that is of yours. For our back grounds and education is different. As such, this in turn will carry a difference in prospective of a given observation. I will not defend nor add to my post, as it was short, decisive and descriptive. It must be read with out prejudice and with understanding. Charles |
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No comment. Just call it a Post-Birth Abortion of Saddam. 
