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Post by justjohn on Feb 9, 2007 8:18:25 GMT -7
My results 1. Reform Judaism (100%) 2. Neo-Pagan (95%) 3. Sikhism (92%) 4. Liberal Quakers (87%) 5. Unitarian Universalism (87%) 6. Orthodox Judaism (84%) 7. New Age (78%) 8. Bah�'� Faith (73%) 9. Mahayana Buddhism (72%) 10. Jainism (72%) 11. Hinduism (71%) 12. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (69%) 13. Islam (65%) 14. Theravada Buddhism (62%) 15. New Thought (58%) 16. Orthodox Quaker (52%) 17. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (51%) 18. Scientology (46%) 19. Secular Humanism (42%) 20. Jehovah's Witness (41%) 21. Taoism (39%) 22. Eastern Orthodox (37%) 23. Roman Catholic (37%) 24. Seventh Day Adventist (36%) 25. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (35%) 26. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (29%) 27. Nontheist (21%) Now these conclusions are really different!
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Post by pieter on Feb 9, 2007 17:08:59 GMT -7
Interesting results Hollly, Nancy and JustJohn. My top 27 is: 1. Sikhism (100%) 2. Liberal Quakers (90%) 3. Unitarian Universalism (88%) 4. Reform Judaism (87%) 5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (83%) 6. Orthodox Judaism (82%) 7. Bahá'í Faith (78%) 8. Orthodox Quaker (75%) 9. Neo-Pagan (74%) 10. Jainism (69%) 11. Hinduism (69%) 12. Mahayana Buddhism (68%) 13. New Age (64%) 14. Islam (62%) 15. Theravada Buddhism (59%) 16. Taoism (55%) 17. Seventh Day Adventist (55%) 18. Eastern Orthodox (54%) 19. Roman Catholic (54%) 20. Secular Humanism (53%) 21. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (52%) 22. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (39%) 23. New Thought (39%) 24. Scientology (35%) 25. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%) 26. Nontheist (28%) 27. Jehovah's Witness (28%) Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 9, 2007 20:01:44 GMT -7
Back on topic This is funny Associated Press Pol skewers U.S policy on gays Feb. 08, 2007. Washington-Rep. Gary Ackerman jokingly suggested yesterday that the Bush administration may fear a "platoon of lesbians" more than terrorists in Baghdad, given the military's policy toward gays and lesbians. Ackerman's criticism of Pentagon policy came during Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He complained to Rice that the military had fired Arabic and Farsi translators after learning they were gay. "For some reason, the military seems more afraid of gay people than they are of terrorists. They are very brave with the terrorists, and if the terrorists ever got a hold of this information, they'd gey a platoon of lesbians to chase us out of Baghdad", said Ackerman, prompting laughter in the room. See www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny Joan
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Post by george on Feb 12, 2007 17:46:03 GMT -7
The Polish commercial television channel Polsat has dropped plans to screen the Danish gay reality TV series Gay Army, amid fears that the company would be hit by a massive fine from the Polish media watchdog National Radio and Television Council.
It was two weeks ago that Polsat announced that it would be screening Gay Army, a hit in Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
The six-part show follows a group of gays who are sent to a ?boot camp? for training. By the end of the series, the hope is that they will be able to fight with ?real? soldiers.
Although unseen in Poland, Gay Army is said to have attracted a number of complaints to the National Radio and Television Council who announced that it would be ?monitoring the show?.
The National Radio and Television Council has the power to fine a television channel up to one million PLN (?250,000
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 12, 2007 21:19:30 GMT -7
George, Looks like Polish freedom of speech has a way to go. We don't realize how fortunate we are in the US. But we had to fight to get the truth out there, despite the nation's history of free speech. As cuckoo as we are, people from many nations still want into the land of plenty now mostly for reasons of greed and exploitation. The great American dream is now globalized. Best to you,
Joan
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Post by bujno on Feb 13, 2007 4:47:10 GMT -7
George, Looks like Polish freedom of speech has a way to go. We don't realize how fortunate we are in the US. But we had to fight to get the truth out there, despite the nation's history of free speech. As cuckoo as we are, people from many nations still want into the land of plenty now mostly for reasons of greed and exploitation. The great American dream is now globalized. Best to you, Joan I think you're mistaken. Poland as a whole has still a lot of catching up with the most developed regions of the world, especially in terms of infrastructure and economy, civil society, transparency and many, many other. But not in terms of making the mind emptying TV-shows more available. Besides, I don't have anything against your feeling of being fortunate to be in US, but I personally feel very fortunate to be in Poland and participate in this historical wonder we are undergoing. Even without gay reality TV series Gay Army
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Post by jeanne on Feb 13, 2007 19:47:28 GMT -7
I don't have anything against your feeling of being fortunate to be in US, but I personally feel very fortunate to be in Poland and participate in this historical wonder we are undergoing. Even without gay reality TV series Gay Army Bujno, It's very refreshing to hear you say that you feel fortunate to be in Poland now. I read so much about the numbers of young people who are leaving Poland to live and work elsewhere. I find it very upsetting and wonder how Poland can continue to advance when so many are leaving. I have known some of these young people who have come to the US to be educated and to work and they say they love their country but don't want to live there. I find that very sad. Hopefully things will improve in the future to the point where the exodus will end.
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 13, 2007 21:06:02 GMT -7
buj, Yes, you are fortunate to witness the wonder of change from the oppression Poland has endured for a century. But I fear that it is not yet totally over. Yes, I am happy to be in the US. I am the child of Polish immigrants who came here in the early 1900's, seeking a better life. They indeed found it. But it took many years of back breaking farm work, however here at least they owned the land they farmed. I do not know if you have any knowledge of life in the eastern Poland border lands in the early 1900's. My mother told me stories about it. They were charming, but life there was primitive and she longed to escape. With the impending WW I, her father arranged for her passage to the US and a better life. She never looked back. While Mom never let her kids forget their Polish heritage, we were all raised to be Americans. My Mom was very proud of that and so am I. While I'm no authority on the flight of today's Poles from their country, I suspect the reasons may be the same as the earlier immigrants, a better life be it the US or other countries and nothing to do with what's on TV.
Peace
Joan
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Post by bujno on Feb 14, 2007 10:30:18 GMT -7
Joan, thank you for very nice answer. I don't think we'll have problem understanding each other since we are both proud of our ancestors. My respect to your forefathers for having courage to travel and my respect to you for being proud of your heritage and your prsent affiliation. In the same manner I am proud for my forefathers that they had a courage to stay and live in Poland throughout it's 20 century history especially. I think that such words as flight or exodus don't depict well what is really happening in Poland nowadays. Just as your words of freedom of press having a long way ahead in Poland did not reflect well the particular situation you didn't like concerning gay reality TV series. Peace [don't we have one? ]
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Post by jeanne on Feb 14, 2007 11:35:26 GMT -7
I think that such words as flight or exodus don't depict well what is really happening in Poland nowadays. Bujno, I am very interested in knowing what words you would use to describe what is happening in Poland today with the young people leaving. I know things often look differently depending on one's perspective, so I would like to know what this situation looks like from the Polish perspective; I'm sure my US perspective is skewed a bit. Can you shed some (Polish) light on this?
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Post by bujno on Feb 14, 2007 12:51:44 GMT -7
Joan, Poles leaving Poland now in their majority wish to come back. There will always be a group wishing to live elsewhere no matter how wealthy is the country they were born in. Those who left recently I know prefer to be called expats, if any special label for them is needed at all. What’s more Polish governement encourages them to come back and has initiated work on special programmes for those wishing to do so. Poland at last started to care for those who left Poland. So is the general feeling among ‘ordinary people’ here - those who left are welcomed back and at the same time leaving the country and living wherever one wants became something it really is – something quite normal. It was not always so in the past. Earlier than 1918 (Poland regaining her independance date) and in the 1947-1989 period the governements did not care about the process. Those who left communist country were even treated as ‘traitors’ by the authorities. The next problem is that most of the media concentrate in the shortcoming of many thousands Poles leaving to work abroad. As the shortcomings are obvious. Yet, there are good points of the process, too. Both at present and in the long-run. The good points in the long run will be seen more clearly if Poland will further succeed in the extremely fast closing the economical gap with the West and the government succeeds in the construction of programmes that encourage the come-back that it would really take place. Please note that those who left recently were mostly unemployed, and part of them were from the underdeveloped parts of the country. If they come back in several years they will no more be in a way helpless, poor people but rather self-assured, knowing the western standards and having some fundamentals for building their financial independance and so on and so on. Those well educated who left and sadly do simple tasks are a margin. A margin that Poland-unfriendly media and people like to stress very much. We have to remember that we are leaving in a cruel word, be it America and be it Poland and not always the good education gives people that little something which makes them succesfull in their professional lives. Luckily professional life in Poland still has a very heavy counterbalance. And that is family life.
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Post by constantine on Feb 14, 2007 13:59:54 GMT -7
George, Looks like Polish freedom of speech has a way to go. We don't realize how fortunate we are in the US. But we had to fight to get the truth out there, despite the nation's history of free speech. As cuckoo as we are, people from many nations still want into the land of plenty now mostly for reasons of greed and exploitation. The great American dream is now globalized. Best to you, Joan Ohrenet', a esche Russkih obvinyaut v neobosnovannom messianstve!!! IMHO, po samovlublennosti Russkie daleko ustupayut Amerikantsam! Great American Dream globalized (Burzhua vseh stran ob''edinyaytes'!!!)
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 14, 2007 15:54:47 GMT -7
buj, Thanks for your thoughtful reply, but I didn't ask the question. Since we are on the subject of migration and it's causes, you may find this interesting. According to population studies on Long Island, N.Y. where I reside, young adults are leaving in droves because they cannot find affordable housing. Some older adults are moving away as well seeking a less costly area to live. Oddly, my native born Polish neighbors with three children, were able to purchase a home, albeit before real estate escalated to the astronomical heights of today. Their home was financed and they are bearing the costs of parochial school education for their children while paying some of the highest school taxes in the nation with no benefit to themselves or their children. The parents are educated, non professional Poles. They are both employed at jobs that are not glamorous but earn sufficient income for a comfortable life. They are deeply involved with family as I am with mine My point in this story is that people will always look for an easier, more comfortable life. Very few understand that you have to work hard to get it. Polish workers are considered valuable(maybe not the best word) by employers in this area and not in low paying menial work. BTW, many LI'ers who have relocated to sunbelt states, return to LI for various reasons. Is this a possible comparison to Poles returning to their homeland? The sociological and psychological reasons are too numerous to explore here. Now a comment and question. Comment, I could care less about what is shown on Polish TV, but I am concerned about censorship. Question, do you believe the US media is anti-polish and your opinion of the "terrible twins".
Best to you,
Joan
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Post by jeanne on Feb 14, 2007 16:11:36 GMT -7
Joan, Poles leaving Poland now in their majority wish to come back. There will always be a group wishing to live elsewhere no matter how wealthy is the country they were born in. Those who left recently I know prefer to be called expats, if any special label for them is needed at all. What’s more Polish governement encourages them to come back and has initiated work on special programmes for those wishing to do so. Poland at last started to care for those who left Poland. So is the general feeling among ‘ordinary people’ here - those who left are welcomed back and at the same time leaving the country and living wherever one wants became something it really is – something quite normal. It was not always so in the past. Earlier than 1918 (Poland regaining her independance date) and in the 1947-1989 period the governements did not care about the process. Those who left communist country were even treated as ‘traitors’ by the authorities. The next problem is that most of the media concentrate in the shortcoming of many thousands Poles leaving to work abroad. As the shortcomings are obvious. Yet, there are good points of the process, too. Both at present and in the long-run. The good points in the long run will be seen more clearly if Poland will further succeed in the extremely fast closing the economical gap with the West and the government succeeds in the construction of programmes that encourage the come-back that it would really take place. Please note that those who left recently were mostly unemployed, and part of them were from the underdeveloped parts of the country. If they come back in several years they will no more be in a way helpless, poor people but rather self-assured, knowing the western standards and having some fundamentals for building their financial independance and so on and so on. Those well educated who left and sadly do simple tasks are a margin. A margin that Poland-unfriendly media and people like to stress very much. We have to remember that we are leaving in a cruel word, be it America and be it Poland and not always the good education gives people that little something which makes them succesfull in their professional lives. Luckily professional life in Poland still has a very heavy counterbalance. And that is family life. Bujno, I assume the above answer was directed to me, Jeanne, as I asked the question. Though our names are similar, I am not Joan, we are two different people. Thank you for the very enlightening information. It's good to know that the Polish government is now encouraging expats to return to their homeland by instituting special programs. The young people that I know of who have left Poland came from the Bialystok area and complained of high unemployment. Most came to live in US with relatives and attend colleges here. They are still very young though, and who knows, they may decide to return to Poland and use their talents there. Your point is well-taken regarding the media focusing on negative aspects of the situation. I think that is a universal problem and we have to be very careful not to take as gospel what the media feeds to us. That is precisely why I appreciate your perspective on this issue. I greatly enjoy reading the conversations on this forum and getting the "real story" from those actually living in Poland. I also agree with your comment that family life is the counter balance to professional life in Poland. One of the many things I love about the culture. Many thanks, Jeanne
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 14, 2007 16:53:12 GMT -7
constantine, Would like to reply, but you hide behind your language. I know you can understand english and you know I don't understand russian, so if you want a meaningful discussion let's do it in a language we both understand. Tell me what troubles you about my remarks. I mean only to explain (with cynicism) that exploitation of the real estate market is not limited to russia. Joan
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