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Post by bujno on Feb 15, 2007 1:21:03 GMT -7
Bujno, I assume the above answer was directed to me, Jeanne, as I asked the question. Though our names are similar, I am not Joan, we are two different people. Jeanne, that was a terible mistake of mine! I feel embarassed and don't know how it could have happened. Of course I know your're Jeanne and in my mind to Jeanne I was replying.
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Post by bujno on Feb 15, 2007 1:35:06 GMT -7
I am concerned about censorship. Question, do you believe the US media is anti-polish and your opinion of the "terrible twins". Best to you, Joan The media in Poland are full of stuff critisizing : govrnement president ministers church, anticlergy activists gay activists anti-gay ultraconservatists and every other little bit of public life. Where are the problems with freedom of speech then? I don't see them, on the opposite. I don't think American media in general are anti-Polish or anti-anything as you have freedom of speech almost as developed as Poland has But yes, here and there something a bit anti-Polish happens in your media. The terrible twins are terrible and difficult to bear sometimes. They are chaotic and they don't use Polish economical growth to cut the state spending. They don't lower the taxes. They are too touchy. They have thousand and one other faults. Yet, they are much better than the authorities preceding them. And they get at least 200% of the criticism in comparison.
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Post by bujno on Feb 15, 2007 1:50:01 GMT -7
constantine, Would like to reply, but you hide behind your language. I know you can understand english and you know I don't understand russian, so if you want a meaningful discussion let's do it in a language we both understand. Tell me what troubles you about my remarks. I mean only to explain (with cynicism) that exploitation of the real estate market is not limited to russia. Joan I will do it for you. But it doesn't sound that good in English. And I am probably unable to preserve slight and typically Russina humorous shade of this comment And they accuse Russians of Mesianism! Concernig the selfishness the Russians are far behind the Americans. Great American Dream globalized (Bourgeoisie of all countries, unite!).
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Post by bujno on Feb 15, 2007 5:33:37 GMT -7
Joan, these are special news for you Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes by Tony Kushner will have Polish premiere on Saturday in Warsaw. As you are probably aware of this outstanding American play's main theme is based on gays hard life in the AIDS-era. Polish version of the play is directed by Krzysztof Warlikowski. Some of the best Polish actors feature main characters:
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Post by jeanne on Feb 15, 2007 5:43:34 GMT -7
Jeanne, that was a terible mistake of mine! I feel embarassed and don't know how it could have happened. Of course I know your're Jeanne and in my mind to Jeanne I was replying. Bujno, Please don't be embarrassed, as I said our names are very similar!
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Post by jeanne on Feb 15, 2007 5:48:16 GMT -7
Bujno and Joan,
I believe the US media can tend to be anti-Polish but in a more subtle way. They simply ignore Poland and what is going on there as if to dismiss it as irrelevant. But Poland is not the only country that they treat in this way.
Jeanne
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 15, 2007 23:32:40 GMT -7
Buj and Jeanne, Come on guys, enough of this. Angels in America was about more then hardships endured by gays during the Aids era. Aids has not been eradicated,but thanks to improving treatment modalities, those afflicted are living longer.At least in western countries. Magic Johnson is one example. The true tragedy of this horrendous disease is the continuing loss of life in Africa and other impoverished countries and the ignorance attendant to it. BYW, what is the aids rate in Poland?
Lastly, what is Mesianism? Also you might want to pass this on to Conny. A russian born real estate entrepreneur in NYC recently purchased the land on which once stood the townhouse of a doctor who was embroiled in a nasty divorce. Rather than sharing the value of the property with his ex-wife, he blew the place and himself up by igniting the gas supply to the house. Investigations revealed the doctors death was accidental, he didn't know what he was doing and killed himself by default. The russian purchased the land(the house was demolished by the expolsion) for 8+ million dollars. She plans to rebuild the house and sources say it may go for as much as 35 million. Perhaps Conny should join the rest of the russian entrepreneurs acquiring untold wealth in western nations. Never mind the middle class, become part of the Euro-trash, tons of rubles but no class. Hope the subtlety is not lost in the translation. Joan
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Post by bujno on Feb 16, 2007 8:15:11 GMT -7
Bujno, Please don't be embarrassed, as I said our names are very similar! Thank you Jeanne! My best regards
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Post by bujno on Feb 16, 2007 8:19:01 GMT -7
Joan, "Messianism is any field of philosophy which concerns itself with the interpretations of stories about a world hero or the establishment of a Utopian world. The four most common topics of messianism are the Messiah, the Saoshyant, the Maitreya, and the Kalki found in Christianity, Judaic adventism/Zionism and Islam, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, and Hinduism respectively, though Marxism and many other fields also present messianisms." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MessianismYou'll find it hard to understand Poles, Russians, Jews, Israel and most of all Central and Eastern European history without getting into the idea But it is a fascinating thing to do!
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 16, 2007 11:32:16 GMT -7
Buj, Thanks for info. I was confused because of the incorrect spelling "mesianism". I will look into it, but don't forget that I grew up with Polish parents,.so I am not totally ignorant of the Polish mentality. Joan PS what's your favorite Polish vodka?
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Post by bujno on Feb 16, 2007 14:08:31 GMT -7
Joan, don't take me as an expert as I am a wine-drinker. My favourite Polish vodka is Bia³a Dama and Wyborowa. But I am very far from knowing the full and rich spectrum ...
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 16, 2007 21:14:16 GMT -7
Buj, I have tasted Wyborowa never the other, probably because it's not available here. The Chopin is quite good but pricey. The French of all nations has produced some excellent vodkas. The Grey Goose while very good is not worth the price. I recently sampled Pinnacle(French) Superb and very reasonably priced. Read recently that Poland was trying to get it's viniculture industry off the ground. I did not know that Poles were vintners. Have you drunk any of their products? Peace, Joan
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Post by constantine on Feb 17, 2007 3:08:16 GMT -7
I will do it for you. But it doesn't sound that good in English. And I am probably unable to preserve slight and typically Russina humorous shade of this comment And they accuse Russians of Mesianism! Concernig the selfishness the Russians are far behind the Americans. Great American Dream globalized (Bourgeoisie of all countries, unite!). I wish I understand Polish as you Russian!
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Post by leslie on Feb 17, 2007 6:41:35 GMT -7
Wojtek and Joan How surprised I am that neither of you have mentioned THE Polish wodka (in my opinion and judging by the price in this country, so think the importers) Zubrowka - Bison wodka. It has a definite taste but is not one of those horrid flavoured wodkas. In a supermarket in Sheffield, a 75cl bottle costs 15GBP - that is at current rates, $29 or 87 zloty. Last november in Krakow I bought a litre bottle for 33 zloty (that would cost about 20GBP in the UK!). Leslie (I haven't had a wodka since 25 November 2006 - forbidden by my doctors!)
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Post by constantine on Feb 17, 2007 7:58:24 GMT -7
constantine, Would like to reply, but you hide behind your language. I know you can understand english and you know I don't understand russian, so if you want a meaningful discussion let's do it in a language we both understand. Tell me what troubles you about my remarks. I mean only to explain (with cynicism) that exploitation of the real estate market is not limited to russia. Joan Can I deserve forgiveness for my impolite behviour ?
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