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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 13:29:59 GMT -7
Perhaps we need a topic called "The Sunday Sermon" where all such posts could be gathered? Scatts, don`t be malicious, it`s not fair. Some people are really serious about their beliefs. Why do you always have to ridicule that?  |
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 13:30:48 GMT -7
Perhaps we need a topic called "The Sunday Sermon" where all such posts could be gathered? I'll drink to that ! Kai  Don`t join malicious ridiculing! It`s below the belt! |
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 13:36:23 GMT -7
Kai Make that a treble wodka and I'll join you! To h*** with my liver!!!   Leslie Les, it is highly inappropriate to mention alcohol in the thread which is intended to fight the consumption of it! Besides, I have noticed that you have also been attracted by mean ridiculing started by Mister Scatts and joined in by Mister Kaima. I appreciate the fact that you have removed that deplorable avatar of yours presenting a bottle of satanic liquid. However, it is not all that you can do to achieve a higher moral level!!! |
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 13:42:28 GMT -7
This topic seems to be just a lot of rhetoric from persons who know little about addiction treatment. Happy Halloween! Boo Boo and watch out for evil spirits, vodka and others. Well, what do you know about the treatment? |
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 13:43:32 GMT -7
Freetobe That was a most helpful posting. Leslie No, it wasn`t. It was pathetic. Pure derision without a trace of explanation. |
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 13:44:56 GMT -7
Kaima What a good invitation you suggest - I agree - and I think we could also invite Troubledangel to join us! Leslie No way! He will never set off on any voyage with such incorrigible drunkards! |
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Post by leslie on Oct 31, 2007 14:36:45 GMT -7
Pawi
I'm afraid that I cannot reach any higher moral level than I have now reached.
Pawi wrote: ""However, it is not all that you can do to achieve a higher moral level!!! ""
1. I atoned my first divorce (when I left my wife) by allowing without argument my second wife to leave me without my argument or acrimony (stated!)
2. My last drink of wodka was on 27 November 2006
3. Instead of three pints of beer three times a week when I met my friends in the pub, I have limited myself to two half pints three times a week since January 2007
4. I have had no active woman friend since October 2006
5. I can't say that I haven't flirted with several in that time but 'thus far, no further'
Plus several other things that I cannot discuss here, so can you suggest how more moral I can become?!
Leslie
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Post by kaima on Oct 31, 2007 15:12:39 GMT -7
[ What a good invitation you suggest - I agree - and I think we could also invite Troubledangel to join us! Leslie No way! He will never set off on any voyage with such incorrigible drunkards![/quote] No way! He will never set off on any voyage with such incorrigible drunkards! Incorrigible? Drunkards? Not ALL of the time! Certainly more of the first than the latter! The initial post was 100% against alcohol, conveniently skipping over Jesus and wine at the Canaan wedding ... a common use of selective argument used to make whatever point the human author chooses to make. Everything in moderation, including moderation and theology.  Kai |
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Post by bescheid on Oct 31, 2007 15:31:28 GMT -7
Ok Ok, now
Enough is enough, this person is one of us! He deserves and requires the respeckt afforded his statues as a member of this forum.
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 16:36:41 GMT -7
Plus several other things that I cannot discuss here, so can you suggest how more moral I can become?! Leslie You should take care of your 1-year-old baby at last! It`s high time to stop that flippancy of yours! Flamboyant boys need to get mature one day and start being decent fathers to their children! |
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Post by Pawian on Oct 31, 2007 16:38:34 GMT -7
Ok Ok, now Enough is enough, this person is one of us! He deserves and requires the respeckt afforded his statues as a member of this forum. Charles Yes, I demand more respect! I feel too serious to be treated so lightly!!! |
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Post by bescheid on Oct 31, 2007 18:09:22 GMT -7
Ok Ok, now Enough is enough, this person is one of us! He deserves and requires the respeckt afforded his statues as a member of this forum. Charles Yes, I demand more respect! I feel too serious to be treated so lightly!!! Question: what shall we do with you? answer: Nothing Reason: We like you the way you are Charles |
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Post by Mary on Oct 31, 2007 19:42:03 GMT -7
Yes, I demand more respect! I feel too serious to be treated so lightly!!! Question: what shall we do with you? answer: Nothing Reason: We like you the way you are Charles I have been following this thread with much interest. Charles, I like the response. As I am a "mature" woman I have developed a tollerence for people to be just who they are, and to accept them as they are, even if their opinion differs from mine. Wouldn't life be boring if we all thought the same way? None of us should be riducled for our beliefs and opinions. Now, about the subject..... Yes, the world would be a better place (probably) if alchol were never introduced, BUT, that is not the case, and you can't change facts. I myself am at this time drinking my evening glass of brandy. Am I an alcholic? No, it just helps me relax and sleep better. I can do without, but I find it is better for me than sleeping pills or those night time pain relievers that leave me feeling groggy and "drunk" feeling in the morning. I have restless leg syndrome and arthritis that makes sleep almost impossible. Having said that, I have had alcholism affect my life negativly as I have lost several family members and have a spouse who is an alcholic (recovering, almost 10 yrs!!!) and half of his life was ruined due to it. He lost his first wife and children and nearly died before I met him. It is not a "one size fits all" situation. A wise man told me once, "Accept people for who they are and love them for it". Mary |
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Post by bescheid on Nov 1, 2007 7:08:17 GMT -7
Question: what shall we do with you? answer: Nothing Reason: We like you the way you are Charles I have been following this thread with much interest. Charles, I like the response. As I am a "mature" woman I have developed a tolerance for people to be just who they are, and to accept them as they are, even if their opinion differs from mine. Wouldn't life be boring if we all thought the same way? None of us should be riducled for our beliefs and opinions. Now, about the subject..... Yes, the world would be a better place (probably) if alchol were never introduced, BUT, that is not the case, and you can't change facts. I myself am at this time drinking my evening glass of brandy. Am I an alcholic? No, it just helps me relax and sleep better. I can do without, but I find it is better for me than sleeping pills or those night time pain relievers that leave me feeling groggy and "drunk" feeling in the morning. I have restless leg syndrome and arthritis that makes sleep almost impossible. Having said that, I have had alcholism affect my life negativly as I have lost several family members and have a spouse who is an alcholic (recovering, almost 10 yrs!!!) and half of his life was ruined due to it. He lost his first wife and children and nearly died before I met him. It is not a "one size fits all" situation. A wise man told me once, "Accept people for who they are and love them for it". Mary Yes Mary I do agree with you and understand your feelings, for you have earned them... Purposely, I have avoided expounding to much extent upon this subject. For it was good of Troublegoodangel to introduce it though. Alcoholism touches many of us in similar manners even though each of us are of different situational life experiences, non-the-less as you have brought forward, the results that touch our lives is very similar. What do we have at option to do with this? This is a question of that I have no suggestion as an offer. At the least with hunger, we as individuals may offer a basket of food and the warmth of caring. This in self will cure for a day, and bring some breathing room for better ideas. With the individual affected with Alcoholism. This is not the case. it simply is not so wise for an individual{s} to expose many of these effected individuals in or around your family or ones self. In as much with the family individual affected with this dependency. It is a self destroying dependency, for in all things with the alcoholic, it is a self consuming craving that is never completely satisfied, for it will take dominance in all things and the price of continuing is never over too much. And no, I have not a family member past or present {I know of} effected with this condition. Close working relationship with some, yes!! As such, I have not the emotional experience as a guide to illuminate my views of this subject by. What I have observed through the process of living though, is not very supportive of Alcoholics as individuals and their will of seeking out help. With those in obtaining such medical help, the history of recovery is very problematical, a wait and see process. In appearance, and I am very far from a person of knowledge on this subject. It appears to be a vast combination of various factors in the individual in both their past emotional history/mind set/mental state/physical chemical tolerance and what ever. In other words, a combination of a variation of factors and not of just a single cause. I am as many, very ignorant of the cause of Alcoholism, but very aware of the effect it has. Charles |
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Post by Pawian on Nov 1, 2007 7:11:32 GMT -7
Question: what shall we do with you? answer: Nothing Charles No, you got it wrong! The question goes: What shall we do with the drunken sailor? Do I look like a drunken sailor???  Hence, can I get another set of questions, please? |
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