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Post by Jaga on Jan 9, 2008 10:45:28 GMT -7
Here is more about new developments with Polish healthcare from yesterday google news service: Poland looks to introduce fast-track health care www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL08617092WARSAW, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Poland's ruling party is set to overhaul the state healthcare system later this week, giving Poles the option to buy additional insurance to gain quicker access to services, officials said on Tuesday. The reform bill would also limit the list of treatments covered by Poland's current cradle-to-grave healthcare system, which is currently plagued by long waiting times and corruption. "I want to introduce additional money (into the system), though additional health insurance," Health Minister Ewa Kopacz told a news conference. Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the bill would not raise mandatory healthcare contributions and would not introduce a fees for patients. Poland's health service been beset by scandals -- stories abound of doctors taking bribes in exchange for better treatment and of hospitals running up huge debts only to demand bailouts by threatening to shutdown. "Out of 18,000 types of treatment, 3,000 will be excluded from the guaranteed basket of treatments," Kopacz said. "For example wart removal will not be on the guaranteed list." Kopacz added the government had already moved to significantly raise wages for young doctors, those most likely to join fellow Polish healthcare workers who have left to take higher paying jobs in other parts of the European Union. In October nearly 2,000 doctors resigned in a protest over pay and better funding of the health sector. The bill also includes legislation which would transform hospitals into legal corporate entities with accountable managers who would be required to balance their businesses' budgets.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 9, 2008 13:43:18 GMT -7
Jaga,
Good, it looks like Poland has this under control, and will work it out.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by freetobe on Jan 9, 2008 20:12:19 GMT -7
Ok Jaga You seem to be singling me out once more for speaking to your posts with a rationale you differ with. Rambling posts? Are you serious? The reason you banned me in the past was because I questioned you about your admitted poor english writing skills and therefore your ability to write a thesis on nuclear physics to gain a PHD. By personal e mail, I apoligized if I offended you as I had found that you do have said PHD. This is not the FORUM for a discussion between us about your credentials.If you wish I will be happy to engage in a private or public dialogue with you, hopefully to settle any differences between us. There are members of the forum who post provocative messages without comment from you. I guess the secret is don't rattle Jaga's cage or you will be given your leave. Forum members, please say yes or no and on record please, do I deserve this chastisement? I reserve the right to reply with substance to negative feed back
Jaga, I am at your mercy lol or ha ha ha ha ha Lighten up, you too Pawian
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Post by Mary on Jan 9, 2008 20:39:41 GMT -7
Jaga, From my personal experiences I have never met anyone that hesitated to see a Dr for whatever reason. (and I am assuming it is because we all have health insurance) Those that don't are usually on Medicaid or some other type of assistance and they also do not hesitate to go to the Dr's for whatever reason. (probably why healthcare has risen so high) Maybe if they are denied they might do so I don't know but this thinking twice to go to the Drs is news to me. Chris, when Ela was younger I meet sometimes with the mother's group. I know some of my friends hesitated before going with the child to the doctor, since it is so expensive even if you have an insurance. Once one girl had an accident, in Poland we would immediately try to call a doctor, here the mother waited until she was sure that this is not a serious condition... and she never went to the doctor. When I was growing up going to the Dr. was for extreme emergencies. I was one of 5 children and my father was a self-employed carpenter, without insurance. We got hurt or sick, Mom would patch us up, nurse us back to health and we were back in action! Now days a common cold warrants a trip to the emergency room for some people. And yes Jaga, many people avoid going to the Dr. even with the insurance because their co-pay may be more than they can afford. Also they fear the price of prescriptions. Young families can have a real hard time making ends meet, and if Rdy doesn't know anyone like this she has few friends.......or is living in a fantasy land that I have not visited yet. As with everything..... there is no "one size fits all". Not all insurance plans are the same. Not all people have the same funds available. This is LIFE. Mary
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Post by Mary on Jan 9, 2008 22:18:46 GMT -7
I guess the secret is don't rattle Jaga's cage or you will be given your leave. Forum members, please say yes or no and on record please, do I deserve this chastisement? I reserve the right to reply with substance to negative feed back Jaga, I am at your mercy lol or ha ha ha ha ha Lighten up, you too Pawian My answer: If you dish it out, you better be able to take it. Mary
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Post by Jaga on Jan 10, 2008 0:35:58 GMT -7
When I was growing up going to the Dr. was for extreme emergencies. I was one of 5 children and my father was a self-employed carpenter, without insurance. We got hurt or sick, Mom would patch us up, nurse us back to health and we were back in action! Now days a common cold warrants a trip to the emergency room for some people. And yes Jaga, many people avoid going to the Dr. even with the insurance because their co-pay may be more than they can afford. Also they fear the price of prescriptions. Young families can have a real hard time making ends meet, and if Rdy doesn't know anyone like this she has few friends.......or is living in a fantasy land that I have not visited yet. As with everything..... there is no "one size fits all". Not all insurance plans are the same. Not all people have the same funds available. This is LIFE. Mary Mary, I guess, I would like to live in the phantasy land where we have a good care and then, we are not worried how much we will have to pay. I am still waiting for the bill for my emergency room visit also... I probably overeacted. If I waited a couple of days more, I would not need to do it. In Poland it was easy to go to the doctor, to vent the frustrations but then, it was hard to get a right treatment. Here the clinics are almost too willing to treat people but then.... how to get money for all of it. In Poland and Russia in 80-es the frustration with the basic medicine caused people to look for alternative medical treatment, usually worthless....
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 10, 2008 7:18:49 GMT -7
Mary, I am not living in any fantasy land and have many friends and as I stated in my first post with the wide variety of people I do know...rich, poor, middle class..non have hesitated to go to the Drs. Maybe I am just more fortunate and this is the norm for me here living where I do. Rochester has always been known for having some of the best health care plans available and when the Clintons were in office I remember Mrs. Clinton being here to check out our system with the local healthcare providers. We were chosen as we are on the top of the list here. it only cost me 20.00 copay to go to see my Dr....I don't find that amount enough to hesitate to see a Dr. I do not go for every sniffle as some people may and am blessed so far with good health. I also worked for a healthcare agency in the billing dept so am well aware of the customers situations from high to low. I have never seen a person be denied care.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 10, 2008 7:58:40 GMT -7
To all,
Health care is here for all, and those who don't, or can't pay, pass the cost on to us who can, and do pay. It may not be fair, but it works.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by bescheid on Jan 10, 2008 8:22:26 GMT -7
Mary, I am not living in any fantasy land and have many friends and as I stated in my first post with the wide variety of people I do know...rich, poor, middle class..non have hesitated to go to the Drs. Maybe I am just more fortunate and this is the norm for me here living where I do. Rochester has always been known for having some of the best health care plans available and when the Clintons were in office I remember Mrs. Clinton being here to check out our system with the local healthcare providers. We were chosen as we are on the top of the list here. it only cost me 20.00 copay to go to see my Dr....I don't find that amount enough to hesitate to see a Dr. I do not go for every sniffle as some people may and am blessed so far with good health. I also worked for a healthcare agency in the billing dept so am well aware of the customers situations from high to low. I have never seen a person be denied care. Chris You have worked many years in the health care system, I do have a question. Is perhaps the quality/access differing in as much as a regional reality? I have followed this thread with great interest between your self, Mary and Jaga. Within the context of exchanges, I have noticed a vast difference in the cost/access and quality ratio, and a vast distance of area. These for reason of my question, I am confused with the Health care system of the US. For at present, there appears as it is not consistent and varies with local. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Jan 10, 2008 12:15:12 GMT -7
There are members of the forum who post provocative messages without comment from you. Yes, there are. And we talked about it and voted not to remove anybody. No, you don`t deserve any punishment. You are a very valuable member in my opinion. Yes, sometimes you seem to have a worse day but all of us have and some even more frequently than you. So, all in all, everything is fine with me. Stay with us and do your job here. I wasn`t angry at all. I wrote a very delicate, amusing post. Educational one! hahahahaha
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Post by Pawian on Jan 10, 2008 12:17:53 GMT -7
To all, Health care is here for all, and those who don't, or can't pay, pass the cost on to us who can, and do pay. It may not be fair, but it works. Michael Dabrowski You sound ambiguous now. Do you accept the situation when the better-off sponsor the medical care for poorer ones? Or not?
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Post by valpomike on Jan 10, 2008 15:14:19 GMT -7
Pawian,
All get a vote, by way, of who you elect, and if is not what you think, you can let them know. The poor, without anything get as good, or many times, better than the rest of us. Sometimes, some can pay, but don't, by working the system. This I don't like.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by Jaga on Jan 10, 2008 21:50:44 GMT -7
Ok Jaga You seem to be singling me out once more for speaking to your posts with a rationale you differ with. Rambling posts? Are you serious? here is your post. It is attacking me, it does not have any rationale: oh dear, Another issue raised by Jaga with no substance. Based on the replys of the most vocal members of the forum, health care is not a major problem in Poland. So what is this about? Another attempt to get the mouths on the forum to spout once again? no health crisis in Poland? If you do not agree with me on anything just because you know about everything in Poland better, please start your own forum
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Post by Pawian on Jan 11, 2008 2:09:44 GMT -7
here is your post. It is attacking me, it does not have any rationale: no health crisis in Poland? If you do not agree with me on anything just because you know about everything in Poland better, please start your own forum Jaga, please, I implore you, show mercy on freetube. Be a patient forgiving christian, turn the other cheek. You will be rewarded with thousands graces for it.
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Post by jeanne on Jan 11, 2008 4:44:12 GMT -7
Mary, I am not living in any fantasy land and have many friends and as I stated in my first post with the wide variety of people I do know...rich, poor, middle class..non have hesitated to go to the Drs. Maybe I am just more fortunate and this is the norm for me here living where I do. Rochester has always been known for having some of the best health care plans available and when the Clintons were in office I remember Mrs. Clinton being here to check out our system with the local healthcare providers. We were chosen as we are on the top of the list here. it only cost me 20.00 copay to go to see my Dr....I don't find that amount enough to hesitate to see a Dr. I do not go for every sniffle as some people may and am blessed so far with good health. I also worked for a healthcare agency in the billing dept so am well aware of the customers situations from high to low. I have never seen a person be denied care. Chris You have worked many years in the health care system, I do have a question. Is perhaps the quality/access differing in as much as a regional reality? I have followed this thread with great interest between your self, Mary and Jaga. Within the context of exchanges, I have noticed a vast difference in the cost/access and quality ratio, and a vast distance of area. These for reason of my question, I am confused with the Health care system of the US. For at present, there appears as it is not consistent and varies with local. Charles Charles, Part of the problem here is that except for Medicare (for the elderly), there is no national health care system in the US. States have control over what they want to do, and that varies greatly. In Massachusetts where I live, a law has recently been passed and implemented requiring all citizens to have some form of health insurance. The state provides care for the poorest, and insurance companies now offer plans of various cost and care levels. There are actually tax penalties now for anyone who does not have insurance coverage. Jeanne
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